MagusJanus |
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New Horizons is going to arrive there soon enough, so... what does everyone think we'll find?
My guesses:
1) A planet, possibly an exoplanet. It would explain the strange vacuuming.
2) An alien spacecraft from a race that has been monitoring us this entire time and broadcasting our science to the rest of the galaxy to laugh at.
3) A miniature black hole. Because the universe has to screw with our heads, so why not?
4) My ego. I know I left it somewhere.
Drahliana Moonrunner |
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New Horizons is going to arrive there soon enough, so... what does everyone think we'll find?
My guesses:
1) A planet, possibly an exoplanet. It would explain the strange vacuuming.
2) An alien spacecraft from a race that has been monitoring us this entire time and broadcasting our science to the rest of the galaxy to laugh at.
3) A miniature black hole. Because the universe has to screw with our heads, so why not?
4) My ego. I know I left it somewhere.
It's going to learn more about how orbital dynamics work so far from the Sun and possibly it's relationships with nearby stars. Astronomers are pretty sure that there are no further Neptune-mass or greater planets out there. How many Pluto-size objects on the other hand, might be another story.
John Napier 698 |
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Gisher wrote:Hundreds of millions of socks. No two of which match.It's the leftovers of civilization of alien socks.
No, no, no. Out there is the chaotic attractor for all the socks lost in Hyperspace from the actions of the dryers. Stupid Spell Checker! I know that "attractor" is spelled correctly because I have a dictionary right beside my computer. So go #*#* yourself.
John Napier 698 |
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New Horizons is going to arrive there soon enough, so... what does everyone think we'll find?
My guesses:
1) A planet, possibly an exoplanet. It would explain the strange vacuuming.
2) An alien spacecraft from a race that has been monitoring us this entire time and broadcasting our science to the rest of the galaxy to laugh at.
3) A miniature black hole. Because the universe has to screw with our heads, so why not?
4) My ego. I know I left it somewhere.
Well, let's see.
1) An exoplanet of a sufficient size should emit infrared radiation, because of the heat retained during its accretion, and of the decay of radioactive elements.
2) The alien spacecraft will also radiate infrared, because all known methods of generating power require at least some thermal activity.
3) The Event Horizon of even a tiny Black Hole will distort the images of the stars behind them, due to Gravitational "Lensing."
4) I don't know. What is the estimated mass of your ego?
John Napier 698 |
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John Napier 698 wrote:during its accretionPlease allow me to congratulate you on being the only other person on the Paizo boards who uses the possessive correctly, rather than awkwardly substituting a contraction in its place.
Thank you. As a programmer with an interest in the design and implementation of programming languages, I appreciate the need for precise grammar.
Drahliana Moonrunner |
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Lots of rocks and some frozen gases?
Here's the thing, We really didn't expect anything that interesting from Pluto. We sure as heck did not expect to look at it from behind and see BLUE HAZE surrounding the planet.
Now we're even contemplating the possibility of life beneath the surface due to tidal heating from Charon.
The moral is... we can do all the theorizing we want... But we still need to be prepared to be surprised when we actually get there.
I fervently hope that the ion drive becomes practical enough that we can actually send an orbiter/lander out there before I die. I don't expect that to happen, but I'd like to be surprised.
John Napier 698 |
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The problem with the ion rocket isn't whether it's practical or not, it's finding a power supply that will last the decades to get the orbiter/lander there. Otherwise, we'll have to rely on transfer orbits. And those can take a century or more ( Sorry, I don't have the info on hand for an accurate time-of-flight for the transfer orbit ). Solar intensity drops off past the orbit of Mars, so any flight in deep space will have to involve nuclear power of some kind.
Drahliana Moonrunner |
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The problem with the ion rocket isn't whether it's practical or not, it's finding a power supply that will last the decades to get the orbiter/lander there. Otherwise, we'll have to rely on transfer orbits. And those can take a century or more ( Sorry, I don't have the info on hand for an accurate time-of-flight for the transfer orbit ). Solar intensity drops off past the orbit of Mars, so any flight in deep space will have to involve nuclear power of some kind.
We'll be relying on transfer orbits irregardless. The issues you point out are engineering ones involving the refinement of technology we already have, not inventing new tech.
John Napier 698 |
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We'll be relying on transfer orbits irregardless. The issues you point out are engineering ones involving the refinement of technology we already have, not inventing new tech.
True enough. Ion engines, however have a higher Specific Impulse than chemical rockets. Even moreso if you can electromagnetically accelerate the ions. This might be enough to shorten the time-of-flight considerably, compared to the Minimum-energy Hohmann orbit.
Kirth Gersen |
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Bussard Ramjets rely on Fusion reactions, which are nowhere near practical at this point in time.
Even if we had fusion, the density of hydrogen in interstellar space is nowhere near great enough to use it as a fuel source -- you'd be burning more energy to capture it than it could possibly produce.
Drahliana Moonrunner |
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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:True enough. Ion engines, however have a higher Specific Impulse than chemical rockets. Even moreso if you can electromagnetically accelerate the ions. This might be enough to shorten the time-of-flight considerably, compared to the Minimum-energy Hohmann orbit.
We'll be relying on transfer orbits irregardless. The issues you point out are engineering ones involving the refinement of technology we already have, not inventing new tech.
ION engines have a very very low impulse. However they can accelerate for months at a time, which more than makes up for it. Plus, they're extremely efficient users of reaction mass.
John Woodford |
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John Napier 698 wrote:Bussard Ramjets rely on Fusion reactions, which are nowhere near practical at this point in time.Even if we had fusion, the density of hydrogen in interstellar space is nowhere near great enough to use it as a fuel source -- you'd be burning more energy to capture it than it could possibly produce.
And even if the density of hydrogen were high enough to make it work, the drag from your scoop ends up putting a hard limit on your velocity--IIRC, it's something like 0.3c. Well below the point where you get significant relativistic time dilation. (Larry Niven didn't know any of this when he wrote the Known Space stories, which is why he used Bussard ramjets so often.)
John Napier 698 |
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Drahliana,
I'm not sure, but I think you're confusing thrust with specific impulse. Indeed, the ion thruster does have a low thrust, but it can maintain that thrust longer per unit of reaction mass. Think of the specific impulse as the duration of the "burn."
This page explains specific impulse. Subject, of course, to further clarifications. It is, after all, a wiki page.
John Napier 698 |
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Drahliana,
I had a thought earlier today. Since Pluto's orbit is at an incline compared to the rest of the Solar System's orbital plane, we could use regular chemical rockets to provide the delta-V for the transfer orbit and use the ion rockets to modify the probe's flight path so that it intercepts Pluto at the proper point of its orbit. Your thoughts?
John Napier 698 |
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Gisher wrote:Hundreds of millions of socks. No two of which match.Actually, they all match. In the sock factory, the workers just grab them and pair them up randomly. Some socks have already formed bonds and those bonds are strong enough to bend spacetime in order to find their true soulmate.
Like the Theory of Quantum Entanglement?
Drahliana Moonrunner |
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Drahliana,
I had a thought earlier today. Since Pluto's orbit is at an incline compared to the rest of the Solar System's orbital plane, we could use regular chemical rockets to provide the delta-V for the transfer orbit and use the ion rockets to modify the probe's flight path so that it intercepts Pluto at the proper point of its orbit. Your thoughts?
Generally that's taken care with the Jupiter encounter phase of such a mission. If you're going to send probes to the outer solar system, you're going to use Jupiter as your speed boost. By choosing your entry trajectory, you get an exit angle which will send you to your final destination.
John Napier 698 |
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John Napier 698 wrote:Generally that's taken care with the Jupiter encounter phase of such a mission. If you're going to send probes to the outer solar system, you're going to use Jupiter as your speed boost. By choosing your entry trajectory, you get an exit angle which will send you to your final destination.Drahliana,
I had a thought earlier today. Since Pluto's orbit is at an incline compared to the rest of the Solar System's orbital plane, we could use regular chemical rockets to provide the delta-V for the transfer orbit and use the ion rockets to modify the probe's flight path so that it intercepts Pluto at the proper point of its orbit. Your thoughts?
Okay.