My GM is trying to make my Paladin a Serial Killer

[Garbage-Tier Waifu]

I'm glad it's a story element you were clearly meant to overcome and not the quite distressing idea it was at first glance.

[Madokar Valortouched]

Garbage-Tier Waifu wrote:

I'm glad it's a story element you were clearly meant to overcome and not the quite distressing idea it was at first glance.

I think was just a bit taken aback from this happening right after falling for a flimsy reason.

[John Napier 698]

I'm relieved. Good luck in the upcoming fights.

[The Steel Refrain]

Madokar Valortouched wrote:

Garbage-Tier Waifu wrote:

I'm glad it's a story element you were clearly meant to overcome and not the quite distressing idea it was at first glance.

I think was just a bit taken aback from this happening right after falling for a flimsy reason.

I just feel bad for all the abuse your DM has taken in this thread. It seemed a little unfair to me (though I agree that his prior call on your Paladin falling was an error in judgment).

Sounds to me like he had a fun and engaging plotline set up for your characters from the outset of this particular arc. Hopefully this re-establishes your faith in him as a DM.

Happy gaming!

[GM Rednal]

I would have been worried about that, too. Fortunately... demons are what Paladins specialize in wrecking, yes? XD Have fun!

[Chemlak]

Paladin, meet demon.

Demon, meet smiting sword.

Glad to hear this is going in such a pleasant direction.

For your GM or any other players from your group who happen across this thread, or anyone else:

A lot of us have been around the block a few times when it comes to GMs, GMing, paladins, and playing paladins, and I think we've probably all got at least one "horror story" about a GM (sometimes even ourselves as the GM) unfairly picking on a paladin just because they're a paladin.

There are combative GMs out there who think that manufacturing circumstances in which a paladin cannot avoid falling is the "right way" to GM for a paladin in the group, and we hate that. Vehemently.

The point of my post being that when we see behaviour that looks like a GM playing "make the paladin fall for the fun of it!", we get a bit... defensive. Aggressively so.

We are as prone to filling in the gaps in a story as anyone (and people are really good at that), and this looks like a prime example of that behaviour.

But it's situations like this which bring out our repeated calls to get a paladin's code nailed down in advance, because doing that protects both the player from godawful GMing, but also protects the GM when they can say that a situation is plot, not capricious GM behaviour.

[John Napier 698]

I second that! As a GM myself, I would never engineer a situation just to pick on the player of a particular character class. Each gamer at my table is a gift. I have been GMming the same campaign at Tekkoshokon for the past three years. I have people coming to the convention solely to sit at my table.

Madokar, if ever you are interested in attending Tekko, you are always welcome at my table. Just PM me whenever you feel like coming to Pittsburgh. The same invitation is extended to any poster on this or the previous forum.

[GM_Beernorg]

That was very well put Chemlak.

I will just reiterate, that from my perspective, one way to keep the awesome IC drama, but negate OC drama, is to chat about your GM providing an informative (if he did this originally, good for him, as I recall you came in later than first session to the game, yes?) session 0.

I said it before, saying it again, I bet if you as a player had known that there is going to be crazy stuff happening, but there was a good reason to the GM's madness, then most if not all issues would have been non-issues.

But as Chem points out, this is not a rare sort of issue, none of us are perfect, and there are strong feelings (round here, you better believe it!) about the topic.

Because things seem to be looking up for this game, it may pay to just (if you have not already) have a friendly group chat about future session 0's. Your GM will thank himself for holding them, and for getting the players all the PLAYER info they need, and you will thank him for it, and thus you can just immerse yourself in the cool story you GM has crafted for and around your PC's, all without any overtones of unfair GMing, bad GMing, what have you.

What is that thing GI Joe says..."Knowing is half the battle."

[The Steel Refrain]

Good comments, gentlemen!

[Madokar Valortouched]

GM_Beernorg wrote:

That was very well put Chemlak.

I will just reiterate, that from my perspective, one way to keep the awesome IC drama, but negate OC drama, is to chat about your GM providing an informative (if he did this originally, good for him, as I recall you came in later than first session to the game, yes?) session 0.

I said it before, saying it again, I bet if you as a player had known that there is going to be crazy stuff happening, but there was a good reason to the GM's madness, then most if not all issues would have been non-issues.

But as Chem points out, this is not a rare sort of issue, none of us are perfect, and there are strong feelings (round here, you better believe it!) about the topic.

Because things seem to be looking up for this game, it may pay to just (if you have not already) have a friendly group chat about future session 0's. Your GM will thank himself for holding them, and for getting the players all the PLAYER info they need, and you will thank him for it, and thus you can just immerse yourself in the cool story you GM has crafted for and around your PC's, all without any overtones of unfair GMing, bad GMing, what have you.

What is that thing GI Joe says..."Knowing is half the battle."

Had such discussion on Halloween. Everybody at the table agreed with the policy that talking about interpretations of the alignment system, character goals, class codes and everything in between is a good way to avoid problems that appear halfway through the campaign.

[GM_Beernorg]

Score one for the good guys!

[JonathonWilder]

Though the DM is not perfect, and could have perhaps handled a few things differently, I think the overall scenario he came up with is actually pretty creative and may snag it for one of my own campaign fair bit of different so as not to simply copy.

[GM_Beernorg]

Hopefully this will be a table learning experience, and games will be that much better for it...GM clearly has some things going for him, and to err is human.

[Steelfiredragon]

guess I was wrong about him being a bad story teller. Do send him my apologies.

that also said, to err is human yes, but something else to come away with.

always ask for clarification if a d/gm asks you what would you do if yadayadayada happens to your character. After all, you never learn anything unless you ask.

I remember this one thread waaaaaaaaay back that had this woman at the table whose character was also female and was captured. after the session rnfrf she asked him why her character was not rapped, and if it was because she was a girl. Turns out, he the dm wasnt comfortable with it.

it all goes both ways.... why I brought that up I do not know.

[JonathonWilder]

@Steelfiredragon
Wait, I'm confused. Wouldn't she be grateful the DM didn't try to have her character raped, and why didn't she consider that most people probably wouldn't be comfortable with that?

I'm amazed that she even thought there was a possibility of such, at least not without the DM first talking to her about it.

[Lady-J]

JonathonWilder wrote:

@Steelfiredragon

Wait, I'm confused. Wouldn't she be grateful the DM didn't try to have her character raped, and why didn't she consider that most people probably wouldn't be comfortable with that?

I'm amazed that she even thought there was a possibility of such, at least not without the DM first talking to her about it.

2nded that sort of stuff is best left off the table