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Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
Every moment she uses to fact-check Trump is a moment she loses to sell her policies and vision, a moment to convince undecideds that she can be trusted... which is likely part of Trump's campaign's plan. >:(

He has a plan? When did that happen?


Turin the Mad wrote:
"There you go again."

There you go again, Turin the Mad. I am waiting for the surprise to come out in the debate Monday night.


Rednal wrote:
Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
Every moment she uses to fact-check Trump is a moment she loses to sell her policies and vision, a moment to convince undecideds that she can be trusted... which is likely part of Trump's campaign's plan. >:(
He has a plan? When did that happen?

No, I was very specific in saying his campaign had the plan. Trump is still all toddler id.


He has a campaign? When did that happen? What did I miss?

*Looks out window*

HOLY S@$#

THERE'S SOME CREEPY PERSON IN A GASMASK IN THERE


Kobold Cleaver wrote:

He has a campaign? When did that happen? What did I miss?

*Looks out window*

HOLY S!~#

THERE'S SOME CREEPY PERSON IN A GASMASK IN THERE

Not creepy enough. Try "The Empty Child" episode of Doctor Who-level creepy.


I somehow, until now, missed the Pickles controversy. What it says about the return of my master, I couldn't say.

Alex Jones Uncovers Pickle-Gate


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So you're saying Alex Jones' obsession with pickles just outed him as a goblin?


Farael the Fallen wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
"There you go again."

There you go again, Turin the Mad. I am waiting for the surprise to come out in the debate Monday night.

So are a great many who will be watching, myself included. ;)


I feel like i;m waiting for superman vs the joker fight. Only the winner gets to be president.

Superman SHOULD just knock his head off or put him down, but the laws of sense, public support and reality just don't seem to apply to the jokers crazy plans.

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Gosh darn it, I won't know anything about it until tomorrow afternoon :(

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CrusaderWolf wrote:

Couple of thoughts from a political science junkie.

1) Trump's base loving his bombastic stupidity is not the same as EVERYONE ELSE loving it. Trump has a lock on most of the Republican Party ...

I'm not sure that's even true actually. There are a LOT of republicans who do not support Trump, and, according to polls, the number is growing.


Marc Radle wrote:
CrusaderWolf wrote:

Couple of thoughts from a political science junkie.

1) Trump's base loving his bombastic stupidity is not the same as EVERYONE ELSE loving it. Trump has a lock on most of the Republican Party ...

I'm not sure that's even true actually. There are a LOT of republicans who do not support Trump, and, according to polls, the number is growing.

They may not support trump but they seem to be willing to vote against hillary.

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And refuse to vote Johnson because "he won't win." As though somehow voting for the winning candidate was more important than voting for literally anyone besides Trump.


Turin the Mad wrote:
If she pulls a "There you go again" type of thing, she could crush him. 90 minutes with every 3rd minute being "there you go again, because [stuff]" could do the trick.

That strategy might work for a Biden. Or even a Bill, for a Hillary, they'll simply backfire.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
If she pulls a "There you go again" type of thing, she could crush him. 90 minutes with every 3rd minute being "there you go again, because [stuff]" could do the trick.
That strategy might work for a Biden. Or even a Bill, for a Hillary, they'll simply backfire.

Really? *puzzled expression* Out of curiosity, why would that not work for her?


Turin the Mad wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
If she pulls a "There you go again" type of thing, she could crush him. 90 minutes with every 3rd minute being "there you go again, because [stuff]" could do the trick.
That strategy might work for a Biden. Or even a Bill, for a Hillary, they'll simply backfire.
Really? *puzzled expression* Out of curiosity, why would that not work for her?

Because men can use tactics and be called masterful, leadership quality, and Presidential material. If a woman however does the exact same thing, she's called a word that won't get past the profanity filters on this board.

Or to keep it short... she's a woman.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
If she pulls a "There you go again" type of thing, she could crush him. 90 minutes with every 3rd minute being "there you go again, because [stuff]" could do the trick.
That strategy might work for a Biden. Or even a Bill, for a Hillary, they'll simply backfire.
Really? *puzzled expression* Out of curiosity, why would that not work for her?

Because men can use tactics and be called masterful, leadership quality, and Presidential material. If a woman however does the exact same thing, she's called a word that won't get past the profanity filters on this board.

Or to keep it short... she's a woman.

Oh, that sucks pteranodon eggs. That concept never occurred to me. >:(


Rednal wrote:
Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
Every moment she uses to fact-check Trump is a moment she loses to sell her policies and vision, a moment to convince undecideds that she can be trusted... which is likely part of Trump's campaign's plan. >:(
He has a plan? When did that happen?

When he hired Roger "I got paid $40 million to sexually harass women" Ailes to prepare his debate strategy.


It's amazing. Nobody's even pretending Hillary isn't facing huge double standards. NPR is talking about how in order to win she needs to somehow crush Trump without looking annoyed, derisive, or raising her voice.

Let's do predictions, folks! My prediction: Trump will spend the whole debate yelling, then Hillary will raise her voice slightly and he'll say she's screaming.


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Kobold Cleaver wrote:

It's amazing. Nobody's even pretending Hillary isn't facing huge double standards. NPR is talking about how in order to win she needs to somehow crush Trump without looking annoyed, derisive, or raising her voice.

Let's do predictions, folks! My prediction: Trump will spend the whole debate yelling, then Hillary will raise her voice slightly and he'll say she's screaming.

She's got to do better and she's got to do it backwards and in heels.


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Looks into the future

Hillary: Calls the capital of east Timor Deli.

Trump: Suggests invading ireland for leprachaun gold

Both candidates seem as equally wrong on facts.


Tonight we will see a debate that will decide the fate of the world...


Have any of you ever seen Trump Speak. He really doesn't sound that impressive. Edited for clarity: Trump normally comes off as someone who has no idea about the way to speak in public. He reuses words and restates things numerous times in a row that do not need repeating. In many instances it paints him badly simply because the way he presents himself in public speaking shows him in a bad light (that's without even looking at the content he is talking about, just the form in which he approaches public speaking). :End editing.

In that light, I expect Clinton will win it hands down by a landslide, no matter what questions are asked of each side. She'll simply sound far more intelligent or at least trained in how to speak publically.

Whether that is what wins over public opinion is a different thing. There must be a dynamic where people hear Trump speak and for some reason get won over by him. It doesn't work for me, but apparently it works in a major way on others out there.

It may be that some sort of item will come up that will make Clinton look bad in retrospect.

So I expect Clinton will win the actual debate which is seen, but who knows what the after effect will be. Could be that Trump get's a boost or Clinton does. I have no idea.


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OK, I've got a bag of Skittles for dessert later, but now I want a big bag of raisins. (Seriously, I like raisins.)


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Sure, Hillary will sound smarter and more polished. But as you summarized, that doesn't necessarily mean "winning".

Something I saw on Twitter:

Seriously, Twitter is a S+*@show Right Now wrote:

HILLARY TIPS

-- Fix everything
-- At least 5 A+ zingers
-- Don't come off too smart

TRUMP TIPS
-- Speak English
-- Wear pants
-- Have fun


In addition to the whole grading on a curve thing, Trump's surrogates have been on a full court press against the moderators doing any fact-checking. He's scared and desperately wants to be free to lie on stage with only Clinton able to call him out - which is much easier to turn into a playground "am not/are too" back and forth.


thejeff wrote:
In addition to the whole grading on a curve thing, Trump's surrogates have been on a full court press against the moderators doing any fact-checking. He's scared and desperately wants to be free to lie on stage with only Clinton able to call him out - which is much easier to turn into a playground "am not/are too" back and forth.

He he he:

TRUMP: Condolences to my opponent, who passed away hours ago
CLINTON: [glares impatiently at Lester Holt]
HOLT: Oh, I’m not a fact-checker


And so it begins


I'm watching on Twitter, and quite a few of the comments are about people doing drinking games. XD;


IT BEGINS

Queso and chips at the ready (sorry late day at work and no time to stop for booze).


Questions not shared with anyone ... interesting!


That is a very red outfit


Trump leads with fear of course...JOBS ARE FLEEING OUR COUNTRY


Wasn't going to watch the debate, but was on Facebook and I am now watching a livestream of Jill Stein taking notes and watching the debate.


Not impressed by Trump's intro. Saying "Jobs go to Mexico" isn't really addressing things.


"Trumped-up Trickle-Down." Heh. XD


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So he is just not going to answer direct questions...


"Small loan" in 1975 was a million dollars... in 1975.

He got most of his money by being given his fathers company.

Now if I run the local hardware store for someone, and they retire... I won't be given the hardware store. he was.


UNLEASH THE GISH GALLOP


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She';s had some practice talking over people rudely interrupting her i see... :)


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Yes, she has. o wo I'm not impressed by Trump's aggression. It does not seem like true strength to me - Hillary's ability to sail through it, however, is much better.


so far Lester is a pretty crappy moderator


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I hear Clinton has been fighting Isis her entire adult life...?


Lester is barely moderating at all.


MMCJawa wrote:
I hear Clinton has been fighting Isis her entire adult life...?

Pardon me while I BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! ... ah ... no, Mr. Trump, just, no.


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thejeff wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
That is a very red outfit
Good to get the comment on the woman's clothes out of the way early.

To be fair I would have the same comment on Trump outfit if he walked on stage in a red suit...


fighting isis her entire adult life since... 2012?


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Can Lester Holt just tase Trump everytime he talks over Clinton...


Lester doesn't want it to be about him. XD

And let's see...

Trump: The wealthy will create the new jobs by growing their businesses.

I believe small businesses are the majority of jobs, though?

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