How aware of being charmed is an intelligent charmed target?
I understand that they will take it in the "most favorable way", but even taken favorably, most creatures would try to remove a charm that even their "close friend or ally" cast on them. Wouldn't they?
Not if it works like an addiction -- even if you know it's wrong, you can't get the will to get rid of it, and will even take actions to keep it, even knowing that it's wrong. Or you might just deny the problem altogether.
I agree that "most people" would not have the requisite knowledge, but supposing the target did?
Treating it almost like an addiction is interesting and may work for some characters. "Most favorable way" and all, especially if this type of behavior was in their background. But I don't see most characters simply denying it.
How would your PCs handle the knowledge that they have been charmed, while charmed?
The Wizard tried to charm you, but it's not that important because they were just trying to help you.
I don't know a single character that would try to remove a beneficial spell cast on them by an ally. What other spell would an ally cast?
The Wizard tried to charm you, but it's not that important because they were just trying to help you.
I don't know a single character that would try to remove a beneficial spell cast on them by an ally. What other spell would an ally cast?
Maybe it's just the groups I've been playing in. It seems we often treat each other as frienimies (friend/enemies) where even our close friends and allies are quite often up to no good/messing with us.
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I've always viewed it as you're not aware that you've been charmed, until the charm wears off. In the case of a radical viewpoint change, you just see it as having an epiphany.
If the person being charmed has spellcraft, passes their check, and is the type who wouldn't appreciated it, even from a friend, just try to give them an order to "Not worry about it" if you win the opposed charisma check then the problem is gone.
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If you didn't specifically see the caster charm you...
...and you pass the save, you can make a Knowledge (arcana) check to identify the spell.
...and you fail the save, you don't know that you were charmed.
If you did specifically see the caster charm you...
...then you can make a Spellcraft check to identify the spell
...and you fail the save, you likely act like you don't know (or don't care) for the duration of the spell. Once the duration runs out, you know you were magically assaulted.
...and you pass the save, you know you were mentally assaulted and can attempt to identify the spell with Knowledge (arcana) if you haven't identified the spell already.
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How aware of being charmed is an intelligent charmed target?
I understand that they will take it in the "most favorable way", but even taken favorably, most creatures would try to remove a charm that even their "close friend or ally" cast on them. Wouldn't they?
well unless they see the person cast it through their verbal components and somatic components they wont notice they are charmed just that the person is charming. if they do notice it they will be aware that they are charmed but will do what the person said unless its is something really out of character, in which case its an opposed CHR check. however after the charm effect has ended and the person saw them cast the spell they would be fully aware of the spell being cast and it will piss them off.
spell like abilities would negate them knowing what is happening because they lack verbal or somatic components.
Succeeding on a Saving Throw: A creature that successfully saves against a spell that has no obvious physical effects feels a hostile force or a tingle, but cannot deduce the exact nature of the attack.
If you are only aware of hostile action, but not it's nature, when you succeed on a saving throw I certainly would not allow you to be aware of the nature of an attack if you fail the save without directly witnessing the casting and making the spellcraft check. If you fail you probably wouldn't check yourself for spell effects in place, so again I'm not going to allow a know(arcana) check.
Even if you witness a charm being cast on you, fail the save, and make the spellcraft check you will look on it as favourably as possible. Justifying it to yourself. You've already had your chance to save against the spell and failed - you don't get a second bite at the cherry.
While you are under the charm, you are beholden by the magic to see the caster favorably.
If you made your Spellcraft check, then it doesn't help you while you are charmed, but is an immediate giveaway when the spell wears off.
I am a bit unclear on make the spellcraft check, fail the save. Do you just forget about it because you are charmed? Do you like this person, but also suspicious that it's related to a magical charm, thus act accordingly? I am not certain whether this situation is clear.
At it's most basic core, justify it however you want, but justify it. You don't get a 'know(martial)' check to know that sword was going to hit you in the kidneys so you would have turned at the last moment so it hits somewhere less lethal - There are no second chances to avoid the effects of the spell.
I am a bit unclear on make the spellcraft check, fail the save. Do you just forget about it because you are charmed? Do you like this person, but also suspicious that it's related to a magical charm, thus act accordingly? I am not certain whether this situation is clear.
You can't be suspicious and trust someone at the same time. Suspicion and trust are antonyms; the two are mutually exclusive.
You know they cast a charm spell, but you "Trust" that they have your best interests at heart.
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Ever watch Jessica Jones?
It's kinda exactly like that; Kilgrave suggests lots of people in ways so small that it leaves absolutely no impression. The big stuff - well, in a lot of cases really big stuff ends the effect immediately. But afterwards, a character could certainly question why they did something. You see that with a lot of Kilgrave's victims, too - they don't know that they were charmed and don't understand why they did what they did.