If a character wields two heavy shields, can he take them off on his own?


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Liberty's Edge

I was told that my hands couldn't be used while wielding them, which is fine, but I was also told that there was no way for me to drop them. Is this true?


You probably can't drop your shields. Probably can't get them strapped in place on your own either.

PRD, Core Rulebook said wrote:
Shield, Heavy; Wooden or Steel: You strap a shield to your forearm and grip it with your hand. A heavy shield is so heavy that you can't use your shield hand for anything else.

What are you trying to accomplish? It would seem that light shields with a Dex build would likely better support two-weapon fighting with two shields, and that's not the objective, what's wrong with a heavy and light shield combo?


You can drop them, but only by gnawing off the arm


You probably can't drop the shields as they are strapped in place, but it shouldn't be impossible for you to unstrap them as a move or possibly a standard action. If your GM rules otherwise they probably dislike the concept and don't feel they can say so outright.


At the worst, I'd expect a DC 20 Escape Artist Check.


On the other hand, a class that allowed you to get an extra arm or other appendage for manipulation would allow you to use two heavy shields if you so pleased.

Liberty's Edge

Yes. Someone using two heavy shields can't turn door knobs, pick anything up, or otherwise use their hands... but they CAN always just drop one or both shields.

Unstrapping and dropping a shield is a move action which does not provoke attacks of opportunity.

Liberty's Edge

So I can't use my hands, until I drop my shield (as part of a move action), but does picking it up and equiping it again require a second free hand?


I'm trying to imagine a strap that you can't just wriggle out of short of a tourniquet.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
I'm trying to imagine a strap that you can't just wriggle out of short of a tourniquet.

Well, in the GM's place, I'd reason that if the strap is tight enough that the shield doesn't just pivot on your wrist when struck, then it's also tight enough that you can't just slip it on and off (and I'd feel my reasoning would be supported by the removal of a shield being a move action.) You'd need at least a hand that wasn't currently wielding a weapon...

IDK. It'd be a question of what the GM thinks you can reasonably do. I could see an argument for you never getting the shields off on your own, it requiring a DC 30 Escape Artist check, it requiring twice as long but you could unstrap it with your teeth, or even what Dunkerson said.

Talk to your GM. Side effects for PFS play may include table variation, GM nausea and anxiety, and accusations of heavy applications of Cheese. Ask your GM if duel-wielding shields is right for you.


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Just tell your GM that you're using center grip shields, like any one with a lick of common sense would do, and ask why you can't drop them.


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Technically by the rules, there is no requirement of a free hand to either don or remove armor or shields, but a GM would certainly be free to create a reasonableness requirement.

In my games though, you would never get a chance as your character would immediately be crushed by falling rocks.


Anonymous Warrior wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
I'm trying to imagine a strap that you can't just wriggle out of short of a tourniquet.

Well, in the GM's place, I'd reason that if the strap is tight enough that the shield doesn't just pivot on your wrist when struck, then it's also tight enough that you can't just slip it on and off

A move action is hardly slipping, thats a lot of shake and wriggle.

the shield doesn't just pivot on you because you're holding the handle with your hand, and the entire weight of friction accross your forearm, and more importantly bracing the thing somewhere on your body. Its an entirely different direction of force than dropping the thing, which would be out, or if something were to pick you up by your shield and try to shake you out of it, in which case you're holding onto the handle.

As soon as you're not holding onto the handle anymore slipping out seems easy.

Liberty's Edge

So I can drop them as part of my move action, but can I put them back on? Would I need both hands free to put just one back on?


Dhá Sciath wrote:
So I can drop them as part of my move action, but can I put them back on? Would I need both hands free to put just one back on?

I think it would be a move action to pick up and a move action to get on.


Arguably, it says the shield needs to be "strapped on". It doesn't explicitly state that you need to use your other hand to do so, but what else are you going to use? Your tongue? It's implied that you'd need the capability of strapping a shield to the arm that's going to be holding it or you'd need assistance from a second party. Thus, if you have already put on one shield, you can't put the other on yourself. Now, if you had someone to help you, that'd be fine, but then you've got a shield solidly strapped to both arms and you wouldn't be able to get either one off on your own.


Dhá Sciath wrote:
I was told that my hands couldn't be used while wielding them, which is fine, but I was also told that there was no way for me to drop them. Is this true?

Context please. What is the full scope of what you're trying to accomplish? What does how you put on or remove your shields have to do with anything else?

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