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Well the knowledge engineering was for the planks, should have been knowledge architecture/craft architecture. I'll just see if i can jimmy up the crane. no biggie. i say we don't overthink this. we got a boat underneath, a crane, heck if anyone has swim ranks they could take a crowbar to the bottom of the sea bed and pry it open, as long as its not priceless artwork i think it will be okay wet.
Itchy I'm trying to create my own game, with hopefully a mix of railroad and player driven. I would love to make a fully player driven game but i know that if i tried it would come out half baked simply because i don't have the experience for it. I'm running my games online for now, but hopefully within the next year i can start a face to face game at a local game shop. I personally wanted to look for tools that would help me create a game or keep it running smoothly if the unexpected happened. But i also created the thread just to chat about people's favorite products.
well you can see the boards on the map in roll20, The box is quite clearly larger than the planks and wouldn't fit inbetween the two. The deteriorating planks are about at the 9 and 7 o'clock positions. we could also lower down a hook, lower down a person (Provided there is space on the ceiling) or create a net around the bottom using all the rope that i'm sure everyone has. Or we can (as suggest) use the coffins somehow.
"Well, if we step on the wood its going to fall. We could try dragging it but that would be equally risky. Its a big box and a small plank." Trippen searches the ceiling for a beam or support. "We might be able to hoist someone up and lower them to the crate. Have them secure it. Anyone have any other ideas?"
I play with a lot of players who love to optimize. Even in the meta game they know that games never really last past 8th level, so they create characters that are amazing levels 1-8 and then fall off hard core. Wizards are hardly seen and i don't think i've ever played with a bard or rogue unless it was for just a one or two level dip. I Never optimize. i make my characters with very real flaws. Now i do believe that you must be good at SOMETHING, but that isn't optimizing, thats just creating a character. even if I'm a martial class i don't dump charisma/wisdom/int unless i have a reason too. If i want to play the dumb guy i will drop some int, but i'll generally put them right back into wisdom or charisma for flavor. Or if i want to play the social recluse and get 7-8 charisma i'll put them into int or wisdom. It gets old being the only character talking in social situations even though the sorcerer has 20 charisma and my dwarf has 6. But this is what i generally have to deal with because i live in the middle of nowhere not many people play RPGs here.
Woohoooooooo Its all of the sarcasm that is annoying me. This person just wanted to know if he could have a viable build and how to make a viable build. Roberta is essentially saying "rogues are horrible and are beaten by everything ever. don't play them ever ever ever." The OP wants to play a rogue, RPGs are about having fun and you can build a fun and viable character no matter what you build. You can tell someone "This character is less powerful" all you want but If all you do is shut down someones ideas without at least trying to help them i see this as toxic to the thread in general. Edit: This is also in the conversions thread, not the advice thread. that tells me he is okay with adding 3rd party, (which is why i added 3rd party material to my post) so technically: Yes, rogues are inferior EVERYONE KNOWS THIS! but they are still viable and there are tools out there to make them more powerful. This is what i believe the OP wants.
an "Enterprising" Player would be wrong. According to the rules, minutes and rounds are two completely different thing. A round lasts 6 seconds, true. But when it comes to the rules for what can and can't work, it doesn't matter. From the PFSRD: Many durations are measured in rounds, minutes, hours, or other increments. That means that they are slotted to be measured in "Rounds" or "Minutes" they are a separate thing. In sipping jacket " If the potion’s duration is measured in rounds," Since the potions duration is NOT measured in rounds, it is measured in minutes. This can't be used.
Roberta Yang, you are being so venomous. You could at least try to be constructive as opposed to shut down everything the OP posted. OP: I would like to ask you if this is for pathfinder society, or not. If it is not i would talk with your GM and ask about a few third party tools. Some you could use, or you could buy for your GM to add into his campaign that make skill monkey's more viable. Rogue Glory adds a ton of new options for the rogue and gives them a slight boost to reach bards and rangers in viability. I use it in all the rogues i build that my GM allows. Doing "Rogue like things" can just be enough, sure bards and rangers can still use poisons but this poison crafting rework can make higher level-poison not suck. Dipping a level into alchemist, ninja, or a poisoner rogue archetype would make it much more viable as well. Lorefinder adds some amazing rules into the game that make mystery campaigns much more fun. Honestly, being a skill monkey is totally reliant on your DM, the module you are using, and the players you are playing with. Do you have the opportunity to stealth ahead and do solo things? other players get bored while you are doing this unless they really like listening or they helping in some way. Forum roleplay is great for this. Do you have the opportunity to poison your enemies, climb the mountain to look for clues and interrogate the bad guys? If not then no, skill monkey rogues just aren't viable.
Trippen makes a show of sheathing his clean, bloodless rapier. "See, i told you we wouldn't need weapons." he says cheerily. He moves slowly over to the crate. Trippen walks over towards the crates. "That doesn't look sturdy at all." As a precaution, He takes a rope from his pack and ties it around his waist and chest in a makeshift harness.
"Well the first thing i think we should do is casually spot the place out. It doesn't sound like there are any guards right? So if we were just walking through then it wouldn't be that big of a problem to check it out." Trippen ponders to himself briefly "Getting in i'm sure won't be a problem. I can think of fourteen different ways depending on how it looks. Generally warehouses like these are taller, it wouldn't be difficult to get on the roof and lower ourselves in without being spotted. We can see if there are any alley ways or backdoors. The easiest way though, would to get someone to let us in."
Drinking while watching the children? I do hope this isn't something she does more than once a week. even that would be a stretch. Well it is getting into the afternoon i suppose. I'll have to remind myself to talk to the neighbors about that. Trippen sits quietly, his undersized legs dangling off the sofa. Tea was never his strong suite. A rich dark coffee was more to his liking. He cordially sipped on the tea, trying to think of redeeming qualities to counter weight the mistresses taste for hard drink. Maybe she grows more kind after a good drink?
Why don't people trust haflings? Not every halfling is a thief His hand still extended for a moment, Trippen tries to regain a small amount of his dignity by feinting to close a buckle on his gear. "Ma'am if its not a problem i would be more than happy to take to medical supplies to where you need. It must be so exhausting running this orphanage. Here, you bring the medicine to wherever you need to store it and let me get the tea for you. Your kitchen is this way right?" Trippen walks briskly down a hallway hoping he is going in some way towards the kitchen. Or maybe he doesn't care where he is going. Ms Baltwin clearly doesn't trust me. so if she is too busy following me then she won't be able to keep her eyes on the others. Not all of them at least. Trippen keeps a cheery demeanor, even if he is a halfling you can't say no to such a cute face can you? He turns and calls back heartily "Come on now, you wouldn't want to be left behind would you?"
"Auntie Baltwin, oh i have been so excited to meet you! Paladin Zadriana sent us here to deliver some supplies." Trippen sets the small crate of supplies down and offers his hand to the Headmistress "We rushed right over, will this be enough? How are the children, it must be terrible to be stuck indoors. The children are upstairs, right? It must be very difficult for you to handle the kids in the field while you are tending to the sick in the loft."
"Well, i first learned to pick a lock when i had locked myself out of a particularly important security box of mine. A wandering pathfinder came by and opened it for me, She was very pretty girl- Tamaera was her name. She showed gave me my first lock pick. Since then i would listen to the bards about tales of pathfinders. When a bard sings, they always describe the bravery of the adventurer as she runs into battle. But it always seems that a well placed trap is what brings them into the belly of the beast. Only the most cunning of men have avoided demise by a trap. I want to be clever. So i would listen every night to the traveling bards so i would know what to expect when i became a pathfinder. " Trippen sighs in nostalgia "And what about you? When did Desna speak to you? And why did you not join the traditional clergy?" Trippen converses casually with Terrill as he approaches the grounds to the orphanage. He intents to speak with Gilga to see for himself what she is like. But only after the medicine has been stored or given to those that need it.
Trippen returns to the tumbler he had broken."hm... Well, when we opened the first chest, a key droppde out of the ceiling. I never checked that mechanism for traps but I did check thechest that was just opened and disabled whatever it was supposed to do. maybe it wasn't a trap but instead the next clue" [roll = take 20 on whatever is needed to figure out what the mechanism on the iron chest lock was] 20 [/roll]
Trippen clears his throat loudly, "My friends, i do believe we have missed something. when we opened that chest, a panel opened up on the ceiling revealing yet another key and i am just a tad too short to reach it. But lets not chase too many rabbit trails. Polami, if you wouldn't mind, this chest is now free of traps. Would you please do the honor of opening it. Or i can, if you don't trust my handiwork."
"well, i can see something funny inside of this lock. Theres an extra tumbler. i can't tell you if using the key would bypass it. But i can see that if you press it the lock won't work as advertised. Give me a few minutes, i'll see if i can disable it." Trippen doffs his backpack and rummages through for a leather bound package. After loosening the bindings, he unrolls it to reveal his tools. Selecting a minuscule scribe and equally small Sutures, Trippen begins his work. Using the sutures, he holds the tumbler in place then jams the tumbler, attempting to distort it so that it won't move.
Trippen complains lightheartedly and in good humor, "Do you know how hard it is to look for traps inside a key hole? How do i know that the second i put my eye up to it another tiny cobra won't jump out?" He squats low next to the chests, Lighting a candle from his pack and holding it close to the case to peer into the key hole, then holds the candle to the side of the chest to try to peer into the crevice. I've seen the trip wires before, the minute you open the chest BAM... or maybe the needle in the lock? Filled with Dhabba spittle. That's some nasty stuff.
Think think think, a copper-banded chest of smooth, dark wood. an illusion, Its got to be there for some reason. Could it be hiding something underneath? a red lacquered chest; It has magical runes, probably some defensive spell our final objective is probably here. cube of solid steel; As of yet, we know nothing of this. a low table holding a clear glass jar half full of liquid. Mystery liquid, It is only half full, is this significant? covered wicker basket that held a key with its guardian. I think we can disregard the snake, it was simply a trap. But with that, probably all of these items are trapped in some way. note to self, don't listen to Terrill... Trippen moves small table, looking but not touching and pacing around to the opposite side. Trippen looks both above and below the table for any other clues as to the purpose of the liquid. Then he picks up the vial, swirling it while holding it up to the light.
"Yup, mission accomplished." Trippen casually trots over to the lockbox and retrieve it before the imp comes back.
"It's pretty banged up, but i think it will be fine. Hopefully some spells won't blow us up while we are taking it back" Trippen says as he wipes it off on his shirt and grinning sheepishly as he shows it to Polami beside him.
Trippen whispers his response, hoping not to be noticed "Either way we will at least have to incapacitate it. it clearly wants that box, and will chase us to get it. we could all try to tackle it and tie it up. But, its a devil. I don't feel especially fond for devils in the first place." He squints his nose at the last statement.
i have nothing else to say to this imp. Its very likely not going to listen to reason. you can make deals with devils... but imps aren't THAT bright and he clearly wants this case. I say just trash him. I would like to get a suprise round sneak attack off if possible, because i probably won't do damage otherwise (not that my character knows that)
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