I'm working on some pactmaker NPCs for my game and was re-reading the Vestigial Bonds section when I had a question:
With Vestigial Bonds, is there a limit to only one bond, no matter the number of spirits, or one bond per spirit?
As is currently written in the Vestigial Bond section, there is no limit.
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Actually those should be semicolons, since "jaws that bite, claws that catch" is a single ability; in fact, the comma before whiffling should be a semicolon.
Would this also extend to things like allowing a ghoran or wyrwood binder benefit from morale and/or mind-affecting effects, or a construct or undead binder being able to heal themselves with positive energy, so long as these effects stem from a granted ability that grants a spell effect? I'm leaning towards no, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to check.
Channel Energy — No. Channel energy is not a spell effect, so it is not covered by this clause.
Cure Light Wounds — No. The clause does not alter how positive and negative energy affect the binder. For example, if there was a spell that said it coudn't target undead and that it healed its target with positive energy, an undead binder could use the clause to circumvent the "no undead" clause, but would essentially deal damage to herself because the clause does not alter how energy affects the binder.
Morale Bonuses — No, for the same reasons as above. The clause alters how the spell works, but not how morale bonuses work on the target.
I'm working on some pactmaker NPCs for my game and was re-reading the Vestigial Bonds section when I had a question:
With Vestigial Bonds, is there a limit to only one bond, no matter the number of spirits, or one bond per spirit?
As is currently written in the Vestigial Bond section, there is no limit.
One per binder.
Updated up to this point. The playtest is almost done!
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The Prophet archetype looks pretty cool. ;)
Does the performance involve singing and/or orating? The skill requirements would imply that, but it doesn't explicitly say so, and obviously whether you have to make a noise or not is kind of important for an invisibility effect.Its creepy singing / orating, but it doesn't interfere with the invisibility. Think of it as "ominous background music."
Would it be good to say that the targets of the ability who fail their save don't notice the music? Otherwise it rather reduces the utility of making yourself invisible to them...
Page 362: Pactmaker is listed above Oracle when it should be below. Presumably this is left over from when it was called the Occultist.
Solar Orchid: The duration is 1 day/level for spells of 4th level or lower, but only spells of third level or lower can be Extended?
Astute Binder trait: Does this also apply to Constellation Aspects? How about the abilities the Prophet gets (the only Pactmaker archetype I can see that explicitly uses charisma)?
Would it be good to say that the targets of the ability who fail their save don't notice the music? Otherwise it rather reduces the utility of making yourself invisible to them...Does the performance involve singing and/or orating? The skill requirements would imply that, but it doesn't explicitly say so, and obviously whether you have to make a noise or not is kind of important for an invisibility effect.Its creepy singing / orating, but it doesn't interfere with the invisibility. Think of it as "ominous background music."
Nope. They hear it, but just because they hear it doesn't mean its any easier to pinpoint your location with a Perception check. (Which you could always do with invisible creatures anyway.)
Someone asked about the bloodravager and Charisma drain—under the possession by ravager spirit rules in Chapter 9, you get a Will save each day to prevent the Charisma drain. Currently, that DC is 21. We're reducing it to 15 + 1/2 the character's Hit Dice.
It will be tough for a bloodravager to make the save for the first two levels of play, but if they survive that long they've mastered the spirit enough that they no longer need to save. (This was always intended to be how the archetype worked—you suffered for a few levels, then you got over it. We didn't want you to be able to dip a level of bloodrager to overcome the penalties of having a ravager spirit.)
Nope. They hear it, but just because they hear it doesn't mean its any easier to pinpoint your location with a Perception check. (Which you could always do with invisible creatures anyway.)Would it be good to say that the targets of the ability who fail their save don't notice the music? Otherwise it rather reduces the utility of making yourself invisible to them...Does the performance involve singing and/or orating? The skill requirements would imply that, but it doesn't explicitly say so, and obviously whether you have to make a noise or not is kind of important for an invisibility effect.Its creepy singing / orating, but it doesn't interfere with the invisibility. Think of it as "ominous background music."
Ah, ok, so they know something weird's happening, and will be alerted, but don't necessarily know what it is? That's still significantly less useful than a normal invisibility spell, and it might be worth pointing out that you have to keep making the music to stay invisible, if there's enough space?
Pact Maladies:
Inscribed Skin: Should the fortitude penalty be -1, rather than -2? The penalties increase by -2 cha, -1 fort every week, to a maximum of -14/-7. For those maxima to be reached on the same week, and for the ratio of the penalties to be constant, the fortitude penalty should start off at half the charisma penalty.
Stolen Identity: "While afflicted with stolen identity, you unable to speak your name."
Called by the Grave: "If you are a Venerable adult who is afflicted by called by the grave, you reach your maximum age the next time that your age category would be reduced," - should "reduced" be "increased"?
Gender Bending: "your become asexual"
Return to the Womb: If the effect goes so far that you disappear and a spirit birth effect is triggered, are you the baby who is born from that effect? If so, what does the bit about not being able to be returned to life except by divine intervention mean?
Legend of Mishpo: "“Oh,” Mishpo said. Was this the end? The cage looked a wee bit too large to fit the cage into it, so the devil would have to release him, providing an opportunity to escape."
Ah, ok, so they know something weird's happening, and will be alerted, but don't necessarily know what it is? That's still significantly less useful than a normal invisibility spell, and it might be worth pointing out that you have to keep making the music to stay invisible, if there's enough space?Nope. They hear it, but just because they hear it doesn't mean its any easier to pinpoint your location with a Perception check. (Which you could always do with invisible creatures anyway.)Would it be good to say that the targets of the ability who fail their save don't notice the music? Otherwise it rather reduces the utility of making yourself invisible to them...Does the performance involve singing and/or orating? The skill requirements would imply that, but it doesn't explicitly say so, and obviously whether you have to make a noise or not is kind of important for an invisibility effect.Its creepy singing / orating, but it doesn't interfere with the invisibility. Think of it as "ominous background music."
I'm just ending this confusion and changing the masterpiece's effects to the following:
You perform an ancient lyric that distorts the senses of those who hear it, filling their ears with a confusing melody that makes the performer undetectable by sight. Upon completing the performance, you turn invisible (as per the invisibility spell) for as long as you maintain the performance, you choose one or more creatures that you can see. You may choose up to one creature for every 3 binder levels you possess. Chosen creatures can still see you as though you were not invisible, and you can attack those creatures without ending the invisibility effect on you. However, if you attack any other creature, this spell ends. Creatures that cannot see you also cannot hear your rendition of the Ballod of the Tall Man, though they can be alerted to your presence by other means as normal.
(Also, its ranks required will increase from 4 to 7.)
Does this clear it up for you?
Ah, ok, so they know something weird's happening, and will be alerted, but don't necessarily know what it is? That's still significantly less useful than a normal invisibility spell, and it might be worth pointing out that you have to keep making the music to stay invisible, if there's enough space?Nope. They hear it, but just because they hear it doesn't mean its any easier to pinpoint your location with a Perception check. (Which you could always do with invisible creatures anyway.)Would it be good to say that the targets of the ability who fail their save don't notice the music? Otherwise it rather reduces the utility of making yourself invisible to them...Does the performance involve singing and/or orating? The skill requirements would imply that, but it doesn't explicitly say so, and obviously whether you have to make a noise or not is kind of important for an invisibility effect.Its creepy singing / orating, but it doesn't interfere with the invisibility. Think of it as "ominous background music."I'm just ending this confusion and changing the masterpiece's effects to the following:
You perform an ancient lyric that distorts the senses of those who hear it, filling their ears with a confusing melody that makes the performer undetectable by sight. Upon completing the performance, you turn invisible (as per the invisibility spell) for as long as you maintain the performance, you choose one or more creatures that you can see. You may choose up to one creature for every 3 binder levels you possess. Chosen creatures can still see you as though you were not invisible, and you can attack those creatures without ending the invisibility effect on you. However, if you attack any other creature, this spell ends. Creatures that cannot see you also cannot hear your rendition of the Ballod of the Tall Man, though they can be alerted to your presence...
Much better, thanks. I think that the middle of it would be a bit clearer as follows, though:
"Upon completing the performance, you turn invisible (as per the invisibility spell) for as long as you maintain the performance. When you start the performance, you may choose one or more creatures that you can see, up to one creature for every 3 binder levels you possess."
If that makes it take up too much room, then I think it would be better to delete "you choose one or more creatures that you can see" from the original text - the grammar of that sentence doesn't quite work as it is.
One more thing that seems to be a BIT confusing: Binder Level.
For example, the Pactmaker says that their Binder Level is equal to their level. Okay, no problem. In the glossary, though it says "Binder Level: A binder’s total level in classes that grant the bind spirit class feature, plus half of her character level."
This is important. Let's say we have a 4th-level Pactmaker. Would their Binder Level be 4 or 6?
If that's what was meant, it would have been easier to end the glossary definition with something like "plus half of her levels in other classes". Character Level is a specific term in Pathfinder, and refers to the sum total of all class levels a character has.
Did you? I must've missed that somehow. I've tried searching the thread for relevant terms before posting suggestions, but I didn't find any this time... ah, well. XD It's all good. That's pretty important, so I'm glad someone else noticed.
Man, I really like the new art. Those spreads between chapters are great. I especially like chapters one, two, and four.
I wish the were several different ergon to use. Are they from something specifically? They remind me of both the Eron (Star Wars: Dark Resurrection) and the kaortis. The chapter 9 art spread also reminds me of both of these.
Man, I really like the new art. Those spreads between chapters are great. I especially like chapters one, two, and four.
I wish the were several different ergon to use. Are they from something specifically? They remind me of both the Eron (Star Wars: Dark Resurrection) and the kaortis. The chapter 9 art spread also reminds me of both of these.
They're from Dario's works (Villains of Pact Magic, specifically).
We'll do more eventually—they're a REALLY scary race. They're basically the universe's dumpster divers. Except their "trash" is your reality. >:-)
Any updates on the full release of this? I feel like we've kept this playtest stuff going on a bit longer than planned, and I'm not sure when we should stop. XD
We're officially closing the submission period so Dario can ready the print file! If you find more, keep compiling them here and we'll do what we can to clean them up if we can.
Under Binder Secrets
Bouncing Major Ability, as well as Empower and Quicken say 3/day, but Echoing Major Ability and Hateful have no listed daily limit. Should probably also be 3/day
Question, which one is the updated file? There's 2 links in the Drivethru file, both of them with the exact same title.
Also, I got notified through email, so if I missed something in this thread specifically, I apologize.
Um... ARE they different? XD I downloaded both, and I'm not sure.
(And Binder Level's description is now "plus plus" half their levels in other classes... XD That definition just has no luck, huh?)
Just wanted to say, I am happy for the return of the table linking to the spirits. Nice.
Ergon bloodline's devour magic - "When using this ability, you restore a number of uses of unnatural healing or rounds of ocular growths equal to
1/2 the level of the spell continued within the item" contradicts "If used on a staff, it loses 1 charge and you gain a number of uses of unnatural healing or rounds of ocular growths equal to the level of the highest-level spell the staff can cast using only 1 charge"
Uh... just to be sure, you're planning to sell this on Paizo.com, right? I may need to tweak my review a little if it will only be up on drivethrurpg...
Quick question to others. This is more about the pdf itself, than the contents thereof. The pdf starts at a default zoom of 59.3% for me and whenever I zoom in and click on anything in the bookmarks tab, it returns to the 59.3% zoom. Is there anyway to stop this? I click fit to window, but it still zooms out to 59.3% when I click a bookmark.
It doesn't do that for me. I'm using Adobe Acrobat Reader. Maybe... don't click Fit to Window?
It doesn't do that for me. I'm using Adobe Acrobat Reader. Maybe... don't click Fit to Window?
I have, but unfortunately it doesn't seem to stop it. I am using Adobe Acrobat Reader DC, but it appears to be only a problem I have haha. It's an odd one too. If I click the "All the Spirits" group bookmark folder, it's 93.2% but if I hit the table: spirits, it's the 59.3%. Anyways, don't want to make a fuss or derail anything here. I'll try an older version of acrobat and see if that does the trick.