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Saw it...its not my favorite MCU movie, mostly because I think it's just a tad stuffed with too much (I'd say it's comparable to Age of Ultron, although not as problematic), and some of the action at times was hard to follow. Also not sure how I feel about the Fury portrayal. I also thought the casting was great, especially Mendelson, Larson, and the actress who play Maria Rambeau. I am left pretty excited over Marvel showing up in Infinity War.
I would probably rank it above Dr. Strange, the Iron Man Sequels, Age of Ultron, and the Incredible Hulk (and maybe Antman and Wasp). I think all of these are decent movies, just a bit lower on the scales
Now, to respond to Hama...
Rotten tomatoes score are positive, and I don't know why the hell anyone would listen to The Quartering. He isn't an industry insider, just an online alt right troll with a youtube channel. This is a guy that called last year's Black Panther a racist movie about black supremacy for Aroden's sake. I actually wished I didn't have to take the time to look up that guy...as youtube is probably going to now have more garbage like that come up in my feed :(
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I think they took a different approach to try and change up the formulaic superhero intro which really tends to be the same kind of thing every time. It still was really but they made it a bit disjointed. Kind of reminded me of Tarantino in that respect. (could also be because Samuel L. Jackson was in it)
They didn't do the whole villain with the same powers angle which I appreciate. Actually if I had to say anything about the villains is that none of them were even close to Carols weight class. Even Ronin knew better. I kind of liked that however. Reinforces that Carol is no joke. I kind of like ever so often seeing the heroes just trounce the bad guys. If they do a sequel I'd like to see someone on or above her weight class. Of course she will be in Avengers IW so no one is Thanos with the gauntlets weight class.
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They know people aren't going to want the same old same-old superhero origin so they had to shake it up. However, I was able to follow along as a single arc because generally the jumping around relates to Carol regaining her memories. That's probably very much a YMMV thing.
(And I'll note Carol isn't "over weight class" for much of the film. Without trying to spoil anything, there's turning points that happen, and those points are the crux of why many scenes are so fulfilling to watch.)
There's no point in looking at "audience reviews" on websites anymore; everybody knows that these days that 90% of the reviews are made by 100 basement-trolls whose asses are melded with their computer chairs, their 1000 alts, and clever VPN tomfoolery. And RT is especially being targeted right now because the trolls think they took away the "want to see" votes to suppress them (or rather, they claim that Disney pulled shenanigans to have it removed, which is hilarious because RT is owned by Warner Brothers, Disney's biggest rival).
Look at the trailers, the press (with the large grain of salt that it's hype), get a sense what it's like. Talk to a friend who saw it, who knows what you like, and see what they recommend.
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They know people aren't going to want the same old same-old superhero origin so they had to shake it up. However, I was able to follow along as a single arc because generally the jumping around relates to Carol regaining her memories. That's probably very much a YMMV thing.
(And I'll note Carol isn't "over weight class" for much of the film. Without trying to spoil anything, there's turning points that happen, and those points are the crux of why many scenes are so fulfilling to watch.)
There's no point in looking at "audience reviews" on websites anymore; everybody knows that these days that 90% of the reviews are made by 100 basement-trolls whose asses are melded with their computer chairs, their 1000 alts, and clever VPN tomfoolery. And RT is especially being targeted right now because the trolls think they took away the "want to see" votes to suppress them (or rather, they claim that Disney pulled shenanigans to have it removed, which is hilarious because RT is owned by Warner Brothers, Disney's biggest rival).
Look at the trailers, the press (with the large grain of salt that it's hype), get a sense what it's like. Talk to a friend who saw it, who knows what you like, and see what they recommend.
I'm gonna have to see this and Gunnm back to back.
They know people aren't going to want the same old same-old superhero origin so they had to shake it up. However, I was able to follow along as a single arc because generally the jumping around relates to Carol regaining her memories. That's probably very much a YMMV thing.
(And I'll note Carol isn't "over weight class" for much of the film. Without trying to spoil anything, there's turning points that happen, and those points are the crux of why many scenes are so fulfilling to watch.)
There's no point in looking at "audience reviews" on websites anymore; everybody knows that these days that 90% of the reviews are made by 100 basement-trolls whose asses are melded with their computer chairs, their 1000 alts, and clever VPN tomfoolery. And RT is especially being targeted right now because the trolls think they took away the "want to see" votes to suppress them (or rather, they claim that Disney pulled shenanigans to have it removed, which is hilarious because RT is owned by Warner Brothers, Disney's biggest rival).
Look at the trailers, the press (with the large grain of salt that it's hype), get a sense what it's like. Talk to a friend who saw it, who knows what you like, and see what they recommend.
I only really look at the critical reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. General audience scores on well known sites are pretty useless, because of how well they can be manipulated.
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I can happily say I've never truly given a flying f@+& what any critic says about pretty much any movie, be they a person or a decayed fruit website.
That being said, I've yet to see the movie. I could probably go today, but my boy said he wants to see it, so that's enough reason for me to wait. Looing forward to Skrulls and two-eyed Nick Fury.
it's usually the extremes I watch for. Something that has a super positive critic score and is in a genre I like is generally indication to me that I will probably like the film. Something that is super low is probably an indication I will not like the movie and I should save my money.
The 40-60% range is where it gets tricky, since it might go either way, but if its something I am interested in I will probably go see it, and if its something I was/am leery about, I'll probably skip it. Movie are too expensive for me to go blindly in, and paying money for things that are bad but just happen to be in a genre I like just tends to result in studios taking that as a signal to keep producing bad content.
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Saw this last night and I looooooved it! Trying to round up friends who haven't seen it so I can go see it again!
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Rotten tomatoes audience score is about 58%.
Also seems Disney and Bob Iger are unhappy.
This wins the day as 'Most Naive, Ridiculous, and Just Plain Incorrect' post of the day.
Nicely done - congrats ...
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Personally, I'd rather talk about all the things I enjoyed about the movie, and I'd rather hear about what y'all liked about it instead of focusing on the motivation of a campaign of negative audience reviews that started before the movie was even released.
There was one moment which I felt like was a total missed opportunity and one of the folks I saw it with mentioned it to me as well.
There were a lot of very relatable moments in this film and I'm going to try to see it again, something I rarely (ever?) do. I can't remember the last time I saw a movie more than once in theaters.
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Also seems Disney and Bob Iger are unhappy.Not sure I'd buy anything The Quartering has to sell without checking it for misogynist-laden BS first.
Yeah. Last I checked, that dude was plenty happy to post sexist and homophobic "jokes", was a full-on GamerGater, started the whole MtG/WotCGate lies, and was on the whole "Black Panther is racist against white people" BS. I wouldn't trust that dude to tell me that water was wet.
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I can't remember the last time I caught a movie in theaters, and it's been even longer since I caught one on the opening weekend (it was The Return of the King, I think). Caught Captain Marvel at a almost completely packed matinee today.
Verdict: Great film, lots of fun. I'd put it around the first Iron Man and Spider-Man: Homecoming, better than Age of Ultron, but just shy of Winter Soldier.
Larson absolutely nails it as Danvers/Marvel. Snarky, authority-bucking, bit quick-tempered, doesn't take crap, but is warm and caring when she lets people in. I don't understand at all the reviews that say she is dull or lacks screen presence. She has genuine chemistry with SL Jackson/Fury and Lynch/Maria Rambeau. Danvers and Fury have a great buddy-cop thing going, and Danvers & Rambeau really feel like they have a deep and lasting friendship. We do get to see how Danvers gets her powers (the MacGuffin here really is not too different from the comic's Psyche-Magnetron), a good plothook about why she probably has a good shot at helping defeat Thano's Infinity Gauntlet, and a good explanation for being away from Earth for so long. The end also leaves it open for a return by both the Kree and Skrulls. My one nit-pick is that they changed her callsign from "Cheeseburger", but the new callsign fits too. (Cheeseburger is better though.)
Lashana Lynch is great in the supporting role as Maria Rambeau. The movie is practically overstuffed, but she gets to do impressive heroic things in her limited screentime. I wish we got more of her in any MCU projects.
Akira Akbar is darn good as young Monica Rambeau, and is not an annoying kid on screen. Like her mom, she has limited screentime, but she makes it believable and likeable, especially with Aunt Carol.
Samuel L Jackson's is, as expected, pretty darn good as Fury. It's nice to seem him here as a still tough, but less-hardened/cynical Fury. Yes, we get to see how he loses his eye. I could quibble about how well he accepts his injury, but it's a minor issue.
I hadn't seen Ben Mendelsohn too much before (Rogue One, The Dark Knight Rises), but he makes the most of his role as the charismatic, relatable, nuanced, and surprisingly funny Talos. If you've only seen him as a!!hole bad guys, his performance here may surprise you. The Skrull shapeshifting looks amazing onscreen (and rather uncomfortable for some of the Skrulls at least). No Skrull cows though, Freehold.
Clark Gregg and Jude Law are good in their small roles too. The de-aging effects were stunningly good on Gregg and Jackson. Goose (the orange tabby) also has a limited amount of screentime, but it's memorable. Annette Bening is also, unsurprisingly, good in her small but important role(s).
Minor quibbles: Yeah, there is a lot of Kree-Skrull backstory to squeeze in, and the plot slows down some towards the middle, but I didn't notice it while I was watching. And yes, there are bits where if you aren't paying attention, you could be confused/miss bits by the flashbacks and the reveals. I also think the musical choice for the last Danvers vs baddies fight could be a bit too on the nose for some. Still, they are very minor quibbles, and I already want to see it again.
There are two stingers/scenes in the credits. The mid-credits scene sets up Danvers for Avengers: Endgame. The end credits scene is Goose doing a typical cat thing.
Rotten tomatoes audience score is about 58%.
Also seems Disney and Bob Iger are unhappy.Not sure I'd buy anything The Quartering has to sell without checking it for misogynist-laden BS first.
And as far as rottentomatoes goes, the audience scores aren't shown yet. Critics are at 82% btw, which scores a fresh on the tomatometer.
They are visible now, and the audience score is only 34%, but there have been reports of "review bombing" the film.
I feel that Disney (and Brie Larson) took a needlessly provocative approach to marketting the film.
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I feel that Disney (and Brie Larson) took a needlessly provocative approach to marketting the film.
Frankly, having listened to Larson's comments and read her tweets, I find that to be bullsh!t. She went out of her way to be inclusive without being exclusive. That a small loud minority took huge offense anyway says everything about them, not her (or Disney's/Marvel's marketing).
Caught an early showing of the movie today.
Special effects were cool, as expected, and they did a pretty good job showing Carol's growing powers. I think we could have spent a little more time getting to know the Kree - they're mostly just kind of there. Without much real buildup aside from the mentor figure, Carol realizing they'd lied to her didn't quite have the emotional impact I think it could have had if we'd had more of an opportunity to connect with them. For that matter, Carol's search for her past didn't quite click with me either.
That... may actually sound more negative than I feel. XD I'd also like to note that Carol was explicitly and repeatedly encouraged to control her emotions and be rational in situations when pursuing her objectives. I do find her not-fazed thing harder to relate to, but there is in-movie justification for it.
I did enjoy the movie overall, especially since I went in with the expectation that it was probably going to be okay and would serve as a good setup for the next Avengers movie. I haven't paid too much attention to the marketing, though it's pretty clear to me that some people are trying to cause trouble.
What I really want to see is how Carol interacts with other heroes. Whiiiich we should get starting right off in Avengers: Endgame. XD
I feel that Disney (and Brie Larson) took a needlessly provocative approach to marketing the film.I would say ham-handed over needlessly provocative.
Given that Trinity from The Matrix was smart/bad-ass and well loved all around, I think the Captain Marvel thing is all blown up beyond warrant (as is the want of anything spread by social media).
Seriously though the Box Office is the only vote that counts... so we'll soon see.
:D
Despite the "review bombing" the film is doing quite well.
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Took my sister to see it for 8th march. Enjoyed myself.
I would say it rates in the lower half of MCU for me. And that's only because there are so many great films in the MCU. Definitely better than Thor: Dark World, Iron Man 2, Age of Ultron, The Incredible Hulk and Ant-Man and the Wasp.
Villains were great, Fury was awesome, Goose was awesome, Maria Rambeau was amazing, Monica too. The entire supporting cast was excellent, honestly. I wish they had more Coulson in the film honestly, he felt underutilized.
I also wished they fleshed out the star force a little more.
Now for the cons:
Brie's performance felt....off at times. I felt like I was watching Brie Larson pretend to be Carol Danvers, not like I was watching Carol Danvers, I can't explain better. But it sort of tied to the story and didn't bother me overmuch.
Stan Lee Cameo brought trears to my eyes. It was really sweet.
As for the Quartering, you guys are right, that dude is toxic. Checked out some other videos of his.
Personally, I'd rather talk about all the things I enjoyed about the movie, and I'd rather hear about what y'all liked about it instead of focusing on the motivation of a campaign of negative audience reviews that started before the movie was even released.
There was one moment which I felt like was a total missed opportunity and one of the folks I saw it with mentioned it to me as well. ** spoiler omitted **
There were a lot of very relatable moments in this film and I'm going to try to see it again, something I rarely (ever?) do. I can't remember the last time I saw a movie more than once in theaters.
I think...
Thing I enjoyed...
Stan Lee's cameo and tribute...
Goose...
The skrulls...
Annette Bening was amazing in her roles...
Brie Larson did a great job...
Fury is always great...
My only issue was...
Fury looking his eye was...underwhelming...
Just gonna quote my review from my blog:
So, with all of the inevitability of entropy, I went to plunk my butt down in a theater and watch the latest Marvel Studios release- Captain Marvel.
Let’s get the obvious out of the way- it’s a perfectly enjoyable superheroic popcorn cruncher. Performances are good, effects are shiny, jokes arrive on cue. It’s a Marvel movie.
But that’s the thing… It’s pretty much just another Marvel flick.
Oh, there are things it does differently- many of the jokes aren’t delivered with a sledgehammer (thank god), there’s no “villain has the same powers as the hero” (largely because the movie more or less lacks a central villain, as such), and because it’s a prequel to every Marvel movie so far except for Captain America– The First Avenger and arguably certain chunks of Ant-Man, it’s spared having to set up anything except known beats, and, of course, the story of our leading lady.
It also delivers an origin story in fits and starts, sparing us a godawful info dump- but again, most Marvel flicks haven’t been origin stories for several years now.
But otherwise, you’ve seen this movie.
Our charismatic lead bucks authority. She grows as a person, does the right thing, all that jazz.
Discovers her true power has been with her all along.
Tries to atone for acts she committed when she didn’t have the full picture.
That sort of thing.
Captain Marvel is a very well crafted specimen of a time-honored tale. In that, it has a lot in common with last year’s Black Panther– but where that film gave us Afro-futuristic style and created its own aesthetic within its world of stock tropes, Captain Marvel instead drenches us in 1990s nostalgia for its setting- the bits in space are so perfunctory you can be forgiven for regarding them as a blur. The soundtrack took me right back to junior high and high school. But the thing is… these movies have been riding a nostalgia cash-in aesthetic for a good decade now.
Moreover, the film’s marketing put almost every single major emotional beat of the film into the damn trailers. Very little of value was held back, and the film is incredibly light on anything approximating surprises.
Now, that’s not to say it’s a bad time.
Brie Larson is engaging as hell in her portrayal of Carol Danvers, Lashana Lynch kills it as Maria Lambeau, Akira Akbar achieves the ultimate triumph of playing a child character who actually IS cool to see on screen as opposed to a total drag, Ben Mendelsohn is wonderful as Skrull head cheese Talos… the performances are damned fine in this flick.
But the script doesn’t give them a hell of a lot to do, and some of the most effective bits of acting are lost by being essentially bookends to a mid-movie exposition dump.
It’s a damn fun movie. I’m glad I saw it. I don’t know that I need to see it again.
Movies that do super hero back stories are always gonna be this way its either that or just skip it. Which I personally hate when they do. It feels like your being dropped in the middle.
Really once you realize there is only like 17 +/-5 stories in the world and everything is just variations of those 17 you start to expect seeing similar themes repeated over and over.
There was one moment which I felt like was a total missed opportunity and one of the folks I saw it with mentioned it to me as well.I think...IMHO a missed opportunity:When Goose and Fury get scanned and Fury's threat level is low to non existent, I would have loved to see Maria be scanned and end up with a threat level of moderate or something slightly higher than Fury.Spoiler:I think it would have been much more interesting if her daughter got scanned...it could have been a interesting hint at her future..,
This didn't bother me, because
Also, Kree are smug a!!holes and most couldn't conceive of physically-weaker, low-tech human from a backwater like C-53 could ever rise to become a threat.
The skrulls...Spoiler:It was a cool twist...and make me wonder if Secret Invasion will be the next big MCU storyline.
(Tatiana Maslany for Veranke.)
Edit: He he he, Danvers is the new Stark...
Fury looking his eye was...underwhelming...
I did like that it was Son of Coul that brought him the selection of prosthetic eyes. Their brief conversation laid the groundwork for the awe that Avengers-era Coulson had for Fury. And it was nifty because Coulson will later end up with a prosthetic (his arm) of his own.
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Thanks for all the reviews. I've been following the pre-release hype and internet reaction videos closely. A few thoughts:
(1) The marketing campaign was ham-fisted. As a 40-something white male I did start to wonder, does Marvel want me to see this movie? As it is, offered to take my daughter to it yesterday but she opted for How to train your Dragon.
(2). The Quartering, well, I've watched some of his videos. He makes some valid points, but, the best phrase I can come up is that he has an "uncouth" presentation style, which when you want to agree with something he says, you cringe instead because he crosses lines with sexist comments, racism etc.
(3) I never really cared about movie reviews, other to note that most critics are idiots and make ridiculous points in order to stand out from the other "guy". I do agree with Brie that more women should review movies, if nothing else to get more alternative viewpoints.
(4) All that being said, Rotten Tomatoes has lost all credibility. Subject to manipulation beyond all hope of repair. Pre-release the site had a negative internet campaign impact influence want to see ratings. Post release pro-Captain Marvel bots jacking up ratings with positive reviews, with identical comments. I don't go to movies to get dragged into social justice issues, this movie has attracted the worst sort of attention from all sides of the peanut gallery.
I'll eventually see this, but probably on Netflix.
Just one question, did they retcon the Tessarct backstory? I thought Howard Stark found it in the ocean after world war 2 and presumably gave it to the US govt?
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stuff on trailers
You know, in hindsight, this is a movie that really did have a too spoilery trailer. I would have much much much preferred a movie where they saved the "Binary" reveal towards the end. It would led to a hell yeah moment when it actually happens if you are not expecting it, but here it offered no surprise.
I'll eventually see this, but probably on Netflix.
Just one question, did they retcon the Tessarct backstory? I thought Howard Stark found it in the ocean after world war 2 and presumably gave it to the US govt?
You mean Disney+ here, given that netflix is no longer going to be getting any new MCU/Star Wars/Etc films beginning in 2019.
I don't think it's a retcon. We know that Howard Stark recovered it from the bottom of the ocean...we just now know that someone else experimented with it between that event and the events of the Avengers
Thoughts on the Skrulls in the MCU
Work on the script for this film almost certainly wrapped up prior to the merger. I am wondering if they felt okay with taking this angle because super-skrulls and such were tied up with the Fantastic Four.
Kind of like they were okay with killing off Quicksilver, since there was another iteration of him out there in the Fox movies, that would eventually be more popular than their version.
I am sure a lot of current MCU plans are getting reworked what with all that IP coming back home, although Marvel is going to be getting so many good villains they can probably afford to let Secret Invasion sit on the back burner for a few more phases.
I'll eventually see this, but probably on Netflix.
Just one question, did they retcon the Tessarct backstory? I thought Howard Stark found it in the ocean after world war 2 and presumably gave it to the US govt?
You mean Disney+ here, given that netflix is no longer going to be getting any new MCU/Star Wars/Etc films beginning in 2019.
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Yeah, good point. I'm not sure I want or need two streaming services so that's going to create a decision tree for me.
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Just one question, did they retcon the Tessarct backstory? I thought Howard Stark found it in the ocean after world war 2 and presumably gave it to the US govt?
Note that Fury is able to get into the Project PEGASUS site with a SHIELD ID. That speaks to the fact they were involved in the get-go. It's easy enough to surmise Howard gave the Tesseract to SHIELD, and then they farmed it out to Project PEGASUS. Lawson would have been doing her research in the 1980s, when Howard Stark was more or less retired and/or more focused on trying to steal/misuse Pym's particle project, so it's easy to surmise he himself had probably given up on his own research on the cube. Indeed, Carol's crash is in 1989, which is the same year Pym discovers Stark and SHIELD are trying to recreate his particle research; if the crash happened prior to Hank Pym's resignation, I speculate that the seeming failure of Project PEGASUS at that time would be what spurred SHIELD to move over to try to focus on Pym's research.
The fact that later, during the Avengers, SHIELD is researching the Tesseract as specifically a power source would then directly stem from the fact that Lawson was trying to use it as the core for an FTL engine.
TL;DR: the government + SHIELD possessing and researching the Tesseract fits in with and does not contradict existing continuity.
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Rotten Tomatoes rating is currently around 80% and the box office looks to be excellent!
Good Forbes article:
Captain Marvel Record $61M Friday
A few highlights from the above article ...
"Goose: The Cat Who Will Kill Thanos and Supplant Dr. Doom and Galactus as The Phase Four MCU Big Bad (otherwise known as Captain Marvel) opened with a superb $61.382 million on Friday, counting $20.7m in Thursday preview grosses."
"[Captain Marvel] has now .... earned just over $221 million globally and should top $350 million by tomorrow night."
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Spoiler:I laughed like a madman when Goose coughed up the tesseract. Also that scene when he groots the kree and swallows them up and goes "meow" was so hilarious i actually shed tears laughing
I doubt there will be a way (or time) to work it in to Avengers: Endgame, but based on how their meeting went down in the comics, I would love to see MCU Rocket meeting Goose.
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** spoiler omitted **I doubt there will be a way (or time) to work it in to Avengers: Endgame, but based on how their meeting went down in the comics, I would love to see MCU Rocket meeting Goose.
Something along the lines of 'Rocket is mean to Goose, because Rocket, and then Goose eats some enemies in front of him and starts rubbing against his legs purring, while he is paralyzed from terror'. Yeah, I'd pay money to see that.
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A spoilery (and thus not in my cursory review) thing I enjoyed enough to make me glad I went?
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Just saw it, loved it. Easily one of my top 5 Marvel films
and There is one tiny detail that makes me giggle
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Saw it today. What is probably most important is that my two teenage girls loved it. I'm so happy to be raising girls in an era when Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel movies exist.
My own take is
Some have complained that the movie slows down in the middle, but that was my favorite part. Danvers and Fury had great chemistry. Danvers and the Rambeaus brought me to tears, both because of the relationship and because of the potential for Monica in the sequel or whatever they do with that.
I expected act 3 to be boring, with lots of punching and blasting, but I felt like they made that much more interesting with "Photon" doing some cool unpowered heroing, Carol not needing to prove anything to Jude Law. The whole thing was a lot of fun and the relationships were brilliant. We got maybe the best villain in a MCU move because he turned out not to be a villain. Annette Benning was great, I thought, as a more cerebral villain. The Dorothy of Oz ending was fun. And I loved loved loved the fact that the fight at the end was not with someone who has the same powers as the villain. I'm so bored with that.
Great movie and the other comments already told what I like about it.
But I have one nagging question: Where is the cat? Perhaps Goose will get his own movie explaining what he did during the twenty years^^?
And I wonder how many stories are told in SHIELD about Fury losing his eye. May be quite a few more than the one Coulson told him^^
I think agents of shield even had a number of different stories about it.
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Great movie and the other comments already told what I like about it.
But I have one nagging question: Where is the cat? Perhaps Goose will get his own movie explaining what he did during the twenty years^^?
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Another important question...Did goose survived the snap?
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Captain Marvel's opening weekend earned $153 domestically and $455M globally.
Only “The Avengers” movies, “Black Panther,” ″Captain America: Civil War” and “Iron Man 3” have opened better in the Marvel cinematic universe.
Sounds about right.
It’s the sixth largest worldwide debut ever. The only movie with a female lead that’s opened better globally was “Star Wars: The Force Awakens,” which grossed $529 million when it debuted in 2015.
Not bad for an explodey spacey fun superhero origin story.
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Now, given what a runaway star he is (and his primary actor, Reggie), maybe even if they originally just decided he was gone of old age, they'll change that and decide he was off on some secret SHIELD base somewhere.
