Brie Larson is Carol Danvers / Captain Marvel!!


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Irontruth wrote:
thejeff wrote:

The Skrulls subverted expectations, but I kind of wish they'd left the Skrulls closer to baddies. They make good bad guys and leaving them as a complete innocent victims seems to waste that potential.

It's a good move though if they want to use them again in later movies. The less cartoonish they can be with the villains the better. It also perfectly sets up another character to seem like they're evil, cause they refuse to trust skrulls, then it turns out there's an actual skrull villain.

#notallskrulls

Did I say "cartoonish"? And instead they set up the Kree as cartoonish villains.

I would have preferred more of a clash of galactic empires thing than the hunting down refugees thing we had.

That said, it's a minor complaint.


I didn't say you said cartoonish.


Irontruth wrote:
I didn't say you said cartoonish.

No, that's true. You didn't. You did bring it up in response to my post though, which seemed to imply that what they did was less cartoonish than I'd wanted.

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No, it implied that HE felt showing good Skrulls made them less cartoonish.

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What TOZ said. I didn't see any reading into anyone else's words.

I also disagree that the Kree were cartoonish villains (which were your words)--and they are interesting because they indeed see themselves as "noble warrior heroes" (I don't think that was a lie just told to "Vers"). The thread I saw was of a zealously ordered, patriotic race, but it varied as to how much that meant individual kree were aware of and/or sanctioned the bad things the government did--which also parallels real life situations where a government may be committing horrific acts but hiding it from the public, who are only aware of the good they do (this happens ALL THE TIME, including with the United States). When they show Carol and Yon-Rogg on the subway, it's a great parallel of showing how some of the Kree's normal life is akin to the humans' (with its subway scene later). I doubt every single Kree on that train knew what the upper echelons were up to or supported it. The Accusers in particular seem to act in secret.

Some of them clearly had different levels of awareness of what was going on and comfort with what was happening once Carol turned. I think it was Att-Lass who shows hesitation when fighting Carol (and not because of her skill or powers). I wish they could have shown a little more of stuff like they did with Att-Lass, and I expect some may be on the cutting room floor. The team seemed to have its own dynamic; some of the banter was as real. The only really mustache twirly Kree character was Minn-Erva, and I wish she had been given a little more room to show what she was about (but that may have made the film drag).

Not to mention the obvious--Mar-Vell is of course key evidence that Kree can and do think morally and with concern to other beings, especially when they are confronted with the truth.

Honestly, the Kree start off looking cartoonish because they seem to be initially painted as so perfect, and then that's undone and suddenly to me they became a lot more interesting.


I guess. I read it differently.
Obviously not every Kree civilian is up on what's going on, but then we don't actually see any thing of normal Kree civilians outside of that subway scene.

In broad strokes however we see the Kree as a expansionist, militaristic empire with little to no concern for other races. And remember, the bad guys on Vers's squad were actually less awful overall than Ronan and the Accusers who were essentially slaughtering entire planets based on reports of Skrull presence.

The only good Kree, Mar-Vell, had to break with the Empire entirely to be that. Likewise, you could certainly have a Skrull villain at some point, like you could have individual villains of any race.

For me, it started out painting Kree as cartoonishly good "noble warrior heroes" and Skrulls as cartoonishly bad "terrorist monsters"
and then flipped the roles with the revelation - to evil militaristic conquerors and desperate refugees. From one good vs evil dynamic to a reversed one. But still with little nuance. It felt like way to much of a switch for me and I would have liked more nuance in it - keep the Kree lying to and manipulating Danvers, but leaving the Skrulls as a potential threat of their own. Earth caught between two warring super-powers, perhaps.

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It sounds to me like you are intentionally overlooking key details in order to continue to hold onto your POV.

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I didn't see anything particularly noble about the Kree, but then military experience colors that. The Accusers seemed like the extremist wing while the others were more patriotic warriors in line with common military forces.

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DeathQuaker wrote:
It sounds to me like you are intentionally overlooking key details in order to continue to hold onto your POV.

Maybe?

I'm mostly describing the experience I had watching the movie. Shades of gray and nuance didn't come across to me in the theater - even if there are some details that hinted at it.


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
I didn't see anything particularly noble about the Kree, but then military experience colors that. The Accusers seemed like the extremist wing while the others were more patriotic warriors in line with common military forces.

Even guys like Yon-Rogg (gaslighting scumbag!) seemed hesitant to let the accusers get involved around Earth until things had gone well and truly pear-shaped.

When the less-than-ethical head of friggin' Starforce has some issues with how you do things, it's safe to say you're Not Nice People.


Cole Deschain wrote:
Even guys like Yon-Rogg (gaslighting scumbag!) seemed hesitant to let the accusers get involved around Earth until things had gone well and truly pear-shaped.

Was that because he had moral qualms or was that to keep us, the viewers, guessing about his intentions. It was before Jude Law’s big role reveal.

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Pretty sure it was to avoid having to pick through the rubble for Carol/the tesseract.


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Look I think we can ALL agree while comic book Skrulls, (historically!) have been the aggressive/invasive skulduggery-ish types, it's okay to subvert expectations when it comes to what has historically been a two part war with Earth caught between the two races.

This, as I see and I think others do as well, doesn't mean all Skrulls are GOOD. They just aren't Thanos or the Black Order. Which is good, because maybe then we'll get the Badoon.

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Cole Deschain wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
I didn't see anything particularly noble about the Kree, but then military experience colors that. The Accusers seemed like the extremist wing while the others were more patriotic warriors in line with common military forces.

Even guys like Yon-Rogg (gaslighting scumbag!) seemed hesitant to let the accusers get involved around Earth until things had gone well and truly pear-shaped.

When the less-than-ethical head of friggin' Starforce has some issues with how you do things, it's safe to say you're Not Nice People.

I agree. I just didn't see their actions as two-dimensional for the most part (again, Minn-Erva seemed weirdly mustache twirly... but then I guess you got to have someone who's just mean).

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Cole Deschain wrote:
Even guys like Yon-Rogg (gaslighting scumbag!) seemed hesitant to let the accusers get involved around Earth until things had gone well and truly pear-shaped.
Was that because he had moral qualms or was that to keep us, the viewers, guessing about his intentions. It was before Jude Law’s big role reveal.

It can even be all of the above, including what TriOmegaZero said.


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I think Yon-Rogg (like many an abusive partner) does sort of care for "Vers" on some weird, unhealthy level... if only because by serving as her "mentor" figure, he got to know her pretty well.

So I think that was a factor.

Plus... as TOZ noted, the Accusers aren't exactly good at leaving things in a state to find a single entity or item.


thejeff wrote:


For me, it started out painting Kree as cartoonishly good "noble warrior heroes" and Skrulls as cartoonishly bad "terrorist monsters"
and then flipped the roles with the revelation - to evil militaristic conquerors and desperate refugees. From one good vs evil dynamic to a reversed one. But still with little nuance. It felt like way to much of a switch for me and I would have liked more nuance in it - keep the Kree lying to and manipulating Danvers, but leaving the Skrulls as a potential threat of their own. Earth caught between two warring super-powers, perhaps.

I can see that. Talos does comment that he has blood on his hands though. And there's a clear insinuation that they killed Kree without much discrimination.

I think the galactic super powers are a bit over done though. We already got a taste of it with the Nova Core (though they lost offscreen), Asgardians, Thanos, his chitauri, etc. An underdog species helps round things out, and making them sympathetic in this movie does not exclude them from being villains in another. Not literally EVERYONE needs to be an immediate and direct threat to the existence of Earth.

Plus, for the future, the Skrulls don't need to be a super power. They just have to infiltrate someone who is.


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And even a single skrull is interesting enough as an enemy. Especially if you take their "able to duplicate genetics" to "able to duplicate superpowers" as they have done with the Superskrulls in the comics.

The Skrulls also keep on lying to Carol up until they are on the Station. There is ample room for Skrull antagonists, even without them being specific bad guys. I Can very much see a future movie where Talos is the Antagonist again, due to a conflict where his protecting the Skrulls will endanger another species or somesuch. Antagonists are great when you can sympathise with them and/or understand their Motives.

That is why people like Loki or Thanos, because they are both sympathetic and have genuine goals/beef, independent of wether those goals or specifically the way they want to achieve them are acceptable.


All I know is "Super Skrulls won't come quick enough"


One of the best articles I have ever encountered on the touchy history of Captain Marvel, Captain Marvel, and Miracleman


It has the benefit of good research if nothing else. Though I admit, I was previously unaware that Marvelman/Miracleman had any connection to Fawcett's Captain Marvel.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Though I admit, I was previously unaware that Marvelman/Miracleman had any connection to Fawcett's Captain Marvel.

Ohhhhh yeah, that's a grand and glorious saga right there...


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Unclear what Elizabeth Olsen's plans are, nor anything about Paul Bethany.

They're both in the VISION & SCARLET WITCH spin-off mini-series for Disney+ (their supposedly Netflix-killing streaming service).

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What I mean is that at no time during the film did I feel she or any other character was is danger of being harmed.

It's one thing to know Iron Man will be in another movie but has a scene where he's outmatched or getting his butt kicked. It's another for him to cakewalk through the film.

That's the Superman Syndrome. Captain Marvel is the MCU's Superman, so finding something on her threat level is going to be an ongoing problem. This movie dealt with it by her not realising her true power level until the end of the film, and then by subverting it: Jude Law realises he has no chance, so (after his pitiful attempt at a "no powers" fight) he basically surrenders rather than get his butt kicked, as does Ronan.


I mean, Marvel does have a whole lot of cosmic entities they can consider. XD Although a few of them are... really character-locked, like the Marquis of Death. But I agree that it's best to be sparing with your use of your strongest characters, lest people start wondering why they don't solve everything.


Red,

I don't think Death or even Galactus is out of the question. Also there's still Onslaught.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

Red,

I don't think Death or even Galactus is out of the question. Also there's still Onslaught.

If they're doing an Eternals movie, there could be Celestials.


thejeff,

One would HOPE so. If that's the case, they might get the Horde and/or even some of the Abstract Cosmic entities (like say Obvilion or Lord Order and Lord Chaos) that haven't been showcased yet.


I'm spacing a bit but isn't their two different groups in marvel with the name Eternals?


Also like i said I liked that for once the super hero was OP. It changes thing up a bit and then for the next movie they can find something closer to carols power level.

They've done the equal power villain often enough.


Cole Deschain wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Though I admit, I was previously unaware that Marvelman/Miracleman had any connection to Fawcett's Captain Marvel.
Ohhhhh yeah, that's a grand and glorious saga right there...

London...


Vid,

I don't believe so. I mean there's the Externals and the Eternals. Maybe that's what you're thinking of...


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Well... There are indeed two groups of Eternals (technically, one is an offshoot of the other...): the Terran group (the originals from Earth, e.g. Sersi) & the Titan group (break off group who ultimately settled on Saturn's moon Titan, e.g. Thanos).

Disclaimer: Their history is way more complicated than what I put here... ^^'
Also, there's no guarantee that the Marvel Cinematic Universe will follow the comics, so...

As for the Externals mentioned in the post above: they're an ancient & near-immortal group of mutants that are usually enemies of the X-Men, e.g. Apocalypse & Selene (the Hellfire Club's Black Queen, amongst other aliases).

Carry on, I guess...

--C.


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Eternals (both groups), Inhumans, Deviants... the Kirby Korner of the Marvel Universe can get a little weird.

The Externals... that's Liefeld sticking a name on "Immortal Mutants," and promptly making up a bunch of saps like Gideon and Krule instead of using the likes of Apocalypse or Selene to mess with X-Force. Oh, 1990s, what havoc you wrought...


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Hey now! Liefeld gave us great shoulder pads! :D ;)


Cole Deschain wrote:

Eternals (both groups), Inhumans, Deviants... the Kirby Korner of the Marvel Universe can get a little weird.

The Externals... that's Liefeld sticking a name on "Immortal Mutants," and promptly making up a bunch of saps like Gideon and Krule instead of using the likes of Apocalypse or Selene to mess with X-Force. Oh, 1990s, what havoc you wrought...

I thought Havoc came long before the 90s.


That's probably what I was thinking of Psi. Thanks.


^ You're welcome!

(^_')=b

--C.


Cole Deschain wrote:
Eternals (both groups), Inhumans, Deviants... the Kirby Korner of the Marvel Universe can get a little weird.

Understatement of the year, folks!

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The Externals... that's Liefeld sticking a name on "Immortal Mutants," and promptly making up a bunch of saps like Gideon and Krule instead of using the likes of Apocalypse or Selene to mess with X-Force. Oh, 1990s, what havoc you wrought...

Apocalypse and Selene were overused at that point. Only person more omnipresent was Mister Sinister.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Apocalypse and Selene were overused at that point. Only person more omnipresent was Mister Sinister.

You spelled "Magneto" wrong.

Yeah, he was "dead" for a couple of years. Still had his stink on everything, and the longer his backstory stretches, the more immortal he gets...

I'm kinda sorry nobody's rescued the likes of Gideon or Nicodemus from Liefeld the way they did Deadpool and Cable...


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Hey now! Liefeld gave us great shoulder pads! :D ;)

Plus pouches. There is, I believe, a characters called The Pouch that parodies this.


Phillip Gastone wrote:
Plus pouches. There is, I believe, a character called The Pouch that parodies this.

Self-parodies. Yes. Yes, there is.


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IN ANY CASE! Liefield pouched and shoulder pads aside, I fully expect them to green light a sequel.

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How Captian Marvel should have ended.

Love the shot out to

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the first Richard Donner Superman movie

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Brie Larson Is Reportedly Signed To Star In This Many Marvel Movies

Long story short (for those who don't want to bother clicking the link): Rumor is FIVE.

Personally, I think they could do some interesting things with this. Of course they'll do another stand alone movie (probably two). For the other three they could do Avengers.

OR, perhaps they could use her in X-Men? And they could use the opportunity to expand the MCU alien cultures and bring in the Shi'ar. I'd likely pay good money to see that.


Aberzombie wrote:

Brie Larson Is Reportedly Signed To Star In This Many Marvel Movies

Long story short (for those who don't want to bother clicking the link): Rumor is FIVE.

Personally, I think they could do some interesting things with this. Of course they'll do another stand alone movie (probably two). For the other three they could do Avengers.

OR, perhaps they could use her in X-Men? And they could use the opportunity to expand the MCU alien cultures and bring in the Shi'ar. I'd likely pay good money to see that.

She could show up in the next Guardians as well. Sounds like cameos don't count, but any significant appearance would.


No idea about cameos, but if they do bring her in to X-men, I'd REALLY like it if they avoided using Rogue for like...5 years.

Also still hope for Annihiliation Wave adaptation.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

No idea about cameos, but if they do bring her in to X-men, I'd REALLY like it if they avoided using Rogue for like...5 years.

Also still hope for Annihiliation Wave adaptation.

Could be fun to have a brief nod with Rogue stealing her powers for a bit, just to scare folks who remember the comic arc, but they won't do the full depower thing.

Scarab Sages

Yeah, it might make an interesting sub plot to have Rogue steal some of her power. Personally, I want to see Deathbird/Captain Marvel throwdown.


Aberzombie wrote:
Yeah, it might make an interesting sub plot to have Rogue steal some of her power. Personally, I want to see Deathbird/Captain Marvel throwdown.

Could be fun, but given how much more powerful the movie Captain Marvel is than Ms Marvel was when Deathbird was one of her villains, Deathbird would need a big power boost.


Could do The Brood. They also bump up against the X-Men.

I am reminded of one issue of X-Men where Kitty Pryde found herself alone with a Brood in the X-Mansion. No one to help her.

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