Two-Weapon Fighting and Haste


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Scarab Sages

Rule check.
Friday night in the weekly non-PFS Pathfinder game I'm in, my Arcanist/Rogue (Unchained)/Arcane Trickster with + BAB and Two-Weapon Fighting cast Haste.
According to Hero Lab, I get the additional attack on my Main and Off Hand attacks when making a Full Attack.
Is this legit or is it a goof in Hero Lab? This is one instance where I want verification that Hero Lab has it right.

I'm asking here because I want an official word.

Sczarni

Hiya! You actually stumbled into the PFS Forum. I'll go ahead and flag your post to be moved over to the Rules Questions Forum.

That being said, HeroLab has quite a few bugs. This appears to be another one of them. The text of Haste is pretty clear on how many extra attacks you receive.

Hope that helps!

The Exchange

HL be off on this one. love the program but always good to double check the rules.

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

Is it possible it's a terminology issue?

At bab 6 character with twf and haste, they would attack twice with their primary long sword, once at -5 with their long sword and once with their short sword.

I've never seen HAl wrong on TWF / Haste. But if you can tell me how to build I'll report the bug (or I can find the link and tell you how.)

Liberty's Edge

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It looks like a bug, but I believe it's on purpose. Because you could choose to take the extra attack with either of your weapons, Hero lab shows you what it would look like on both.

Dark Archive

They have stated it is not a bug, when I reported it as one.


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Jack Brown wrote:
They have stated it is not a bug, when I reported it as one.

Ooooh! Secret FAQ! SECRET FAQ!!!!

Silver Crusade

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Gisher wrote:
Jack Brown wrote:
They have stated it is not a bug, when I reported it as one.
Ooooh! Secret FAQ! SECRET FAQ!!!!

Goddamnit Gisher.


It's not a bug, it's as Andrew Christian states it. At any given round you might wanna use the extra attack from the main-hand or off-hand weapon and Hero Lab shows you the math for each weapon.

For your other weapons: ranged, back-ups, and extra weapon loot you collected, Hero Lab would show your extra attack modifiers even if they're not "equipped" by assigning hands to them.


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Rysky wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Jack Brown wrote:
They have stated it is not a bug, when I reported it as one.
Ooooh! Secret FAQ! SECRET FAQ!!!!
G*$*#%nit Gisher.

:D

Scarab Sages

Jack Brown wrote:
They have stated it is not a bug, when I reported it as one.

Oh...it's a feature and not a good one.

Yeah. The consensus here and on the Facebook PFS page is the same. You get the extra attack with one weapon or the other.

I asked in PFS thread because a lot of folks use Hero Lab in addition to the necessary books for their characters, and sometimes PFS rulings can be...wonky (Like spellcasters with spellbooks not getting the 2 free spells when taking a level in a PrC with +1 Caster Level).


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Trellon Falorin wrote:
Jack Brown wrote:
They have stated it is not a bug, when I reported it as one.

Oh...it's a feature and not a good one.

Yeah. The consensus here and on the Facebook PFS page is the same. You get the extra attack with one weapon or the other.

I asked in PFS thread because a lot of folks use Hero Lab in addition to the necessary books for their characters, and sometimes PFS rulings can be...wonky (Like spellcasters with spellbooks not getting the 2 free spells when taking a level in a PrC with +1 Caster Level).

That's not a pfs rule that's a pathfinder rule, like many, many of the things that people think are funny pfs rules.


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Trellon Falorin wrote:
Jack Brown wrote:
They have stated it is not a bug, when I reported it as one.

Oh...it's a feature and not a good one.

Yeah. The consensus here and on the Facebook PFS page is the same. You get the extra attack with one weapon or the other.

I asked in PFS thread because a lot of folks use Hero Lab in addition to the necessary books for their characters, and sometimes PFS rulings can be...wonky (Like spellcasters with spellbooks not getting the 2 free spells when taking a level in a PrC with +1 Caster Level).

Prestige classes not granting bonus spells in spellbooksisn't just for PFS.

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

I love HeroLab. I use it for every character. I program things that I need that don't exist. I've contributed code for things in the HL Pathfinder files and for things in the community package.

It should never be a substitute for knowing the rules. You should be like me and double check every math calculation, every rule interaction, every archetype taken, and in short "everything". I do. I never trust they are right, because mistakes happen.

As a GM, if a player explains how he can do something with "because HL says I can" I'll always double check the math/rules.

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