You thought of quickrunner's shirt as a non-melee buff? I always considered it pounce in a can. Not sure how buying multiple versions of an item is an exploit, but I will agree that due to the errata, it isn't how the devs intended it to work, which is just strange on their part.Mnemonic Vestment begs to differ, as does QuickRunner shirt. Although quite frankly, buying racks of them was an exploit that needed to be plugged.Honestly, and this is just an opinion, I feel like they usually nerf melee stuff.
I regarded it as a universal buff. I can see plenty of caster uses for it as well.
Not to speak for him, but I'm sure he's referencing the fact that the endless pursuit of 'balance' with religious-like fervor in the PFS game seems to repeatedly impact home games for the worse and unnecessarily makes products purchased inconsistent and inaccurate.A little excessive, but I am curious, does this mean you dislike PFS, or you dislike people who dislike PFS?Yet perceived problems in PFS become everyone's problems when their fixes apply universally rather than to PFS games only. :-/Not everyone plays PFS :3I thought crafting was banned in PFS.
They get magic armor crafting as a class feature now... And there are a lot of magic armor options with narrative utility alone. That's one option. Sure, he can't cast fly (unless he takes the feat that lets him cast fly...) but he can craft a suit of armor that can.... And the shield that turns it into 9 hour overland flight.I'm gonna keep saying it.
PFS is the devil.
The PFS master race needs to die.
Or not designed well in the first place.
Otherwise, spot on.
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I regarded it as a universal buff. I can see plenty of caster uses for it as well.You thought of quickrunner's shirt as a non-melee buff? I always considered it pounce in a can. Not sure how buying multiple versions of an item is an exploit, but I will agree that due to the errata, it isn't how the devs intended it to work, which is just strange on their part.Mnemonic Vestment begs to differ, as does QuickRunner shirt. Although quite frankly, buying racks of them was an exploit that needed to be plugged.Honestly, and this is just an opinion, I feel like they usually nerf melee stuff.
Which is a good thing for casters, I guess. Since it is now basically a caster only item, if now more rigidly once a day.
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Do... do you really not have access to the original text of the items? :O
I could just PM it to you or something. Heck, I bet they wouldn't mind too much if I just put it right here in the thread.
In any case, it's hardly an impossible-to-circumvent obstacle. ^_^
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LOTS of people made that happen... because it was always obvious to many that the interpretation that it applied to ALL morale bonuses was just wrong. Thus, it was a clarification. The only 'balance' issue was with the incorrect interpretation.Courageous was a game balance adjustment too, since it nerfed the effectiveness of Morale Bonuses for those who used Courageous Weapons. It just occurred as a FAQ before it got officially patched as Errata.
I should know, I'm the one who made that happen.
I actually felt the same way about Wild armor. The FAQ merely confirmed how I was already playing it.
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To be fair, the jingasa of the fortunate soldier was designed for a very different situation. It originally appeared in Richard Pett's Pathfinder Adventure Path #52: Forest of Spirits, as part of the equipment for a miniboss encounter. It's likely that it wasn't designed with the expectation of reprinting in a PFRPG hardcover, or of becoming "standard-issue" for characters across the setting. (That said, by this reasoning, this change should have probably been made when it was first added to Ultimate Equipment.)
Additionally, how many personnel changes has the PDT gone through since UE was first printed? It's possible that an evolving outlook on the part of the team is responsible for these changes, whether that's the result of new team members or long-time members changing their positions on things.
Just some stuff to consider, whatever your position is on the changes. ^_^
Can I make a suggestion in good faith? Can several of the people that are unsatisfied with the changes in this latest errata do the following:
No, this won't have any impact on the just errata-ed Ultimate Equipment or PFS play. But maybe it would give everyone involved a clearer idea of exactly "what you think you want" vs. "what you'd be happy with or accept" when you also have to compromise with the other team members. Maybe it'd give everyone involved a clearer understanding of...
- Create a new Google DOC, set it up to allow commenting by All, and reserve editing permissions to a small team (work out among yourselves who those team members are)
- Copy the original 1.0 text, mechanics, pricing, etc. for the items
that your team agrees that Paizo's devs changed unsatisfactorily
- Collaborate among yourselves to address the issues that you see as overpowered, underpriced, and/or unclear. Start your own thread in the Homebrew section so everyone else can also discuss your proposed changes or alternate changes.
- Show your work/math on both how the items benefits change gameplay & pricing. Try to keep in mind all the other Pathfinder products published, and work to avoid weird corner cases that create conflicting or unclear rules. Plan ahead for players who will attempt to build for maximum uberness
(Emphasis mine)
Copying the original text would require having access to that text in the first place. If I had that, I could just play with the original text, making your entire suggestion redundant.
That step is necessary for your entire suggested course of actions to make sense, but since it can't be completed without access to the text we are trying to get, your suggestion cannot be followed.
Seriously? I keep all the versions of the PDFs I've bought. If that's all that's stopping the process, just PM me a link to your Google DOC and which items you need the text from, and I can copy-&-paste it in. Easy peesy lemon squeezy.
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courageous there were very few who said it functioned otherwise, basing their argument on some very fishy (and fairly easily contrabanded) evidence.
The issue came up about a year before the FAQ when someone complained to Herolab over it not "working properly". That turned into a message to Paizo who confirmed via an email from SKR how it was to work. Namely how it works now after the FAQ.
So it was known to many at the time how it was intended to work, explicitly. People just chose to ignore that information.
Copying the original text would require having access to that text in the first place. If I had that, I could just play with the original text, making your entire suggestion redundant.
That step is necessary for your entire suggested course of actions to make sense, but since it can't be completed without access to the text we are trying to get, your suggestion cannot be followed.
The text of the first printing is currently available on the PRD, and will continue to be available there until Paizo updates the PRD to include the errata. Liz Courts has already stated that this will not happen until PaizoCon is over, so at least until May 31.
I've been a faithful Paizo fan for a long time - own at least a thousand dollars in their products like many of you - just going to add my 2 cents:
Paizo, I've really disliked what you did with the Advanced Class Guide and now in Ultimate Equipment. Please use errata to finish incomplete sentences, increase clarity, fix charts, etc. Please, don't use errata to balance the game. It's a poor policy that dampens my desire to buy your products.
As for the OP - playtesting before the product launches is great. I don't want a "balance patch" every X months. It's OK to have imbalances in this game.
That is all,
Dan
EXACTLY! I couldn't have said it better myself.