Oracles, Clerics, and Paragon Surge

[Yargoyle AKA Endarire]

Greetings, all!

1: Can a Cleric use the feat Expanded Arcana to learn domain spells as Cleric spells and add them to his Cleric spell list? What about spells from domains the Cleric doesn't have presently? Remember, Clerics can spontaneously cast cure or inflict spells.

2: Do Oracles get access to paragon surge? They seemingly should since Clerics and Sorcerers get access to the spell, even though the spell's description doesn't list Oracles explicitly getting it.

[Deighton Thrane]

1) No, domain spells are not considered to be on your spell list. Though some domain spells may already be on the spell list. I don't know what spontaneous casting has to do with it.

2) Oracles gain spells off of the cleric spell list, so yes, an oracle can learn Paragon Surge.

[dragonhunterq]

expanded arcana wrote:

Special: You can only take this feat if you possess levels in a class whose spellcasting relies on a limited list of spells known, such as the bard, oracle, and sorcerer. You can gain Expanded Arcana multiple times.

1) Just because clerics can spontaneously cast a subset of spells does not make them a spontaneous caster. They are a prepared caster with a special ability. They also don't have a limited list of 'spells known'.

2) Yes.

[Yargoyle AKA Endarire]

Thankee!

[James Risner]

1) Domains spells are only on the spell list of clerics possessing the domain.

2) Yes