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Although the conservative answer would be to apply the Tier 13-15 Chronicle the moment that your character reaches 13th level, I doubt many people would have a problem with you finishing the story arc first before adding anything else to your stack. Talk to your GM.
When EotT was released nothing like this was possible, so no rules were created to address the possibility.
As long as you don't apply the Rasputin Chronicle (including the gold and items gained) before you finish the complete trilogy, you're golden.
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Once you start playing eyes of ten you can't leave it,Is that true? I don't know the specific rules for EoT.
I'm asking because I imagine I'll end up using GM replays for EoT at some point, but I'm not sure if there are rules saying the whole arc counts as one module? Say I had enough replays to get to 13.0, but no more. Could I play Rasputin Must Die with that character? Or is it locked until I recharge my stars and find a way to play out EoT?
For stars it seems to count ass 4 scenarios, so .. marathon of games online?
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I used 4 stars to replay Eyes, as each adventure was a separate scenario. (Thankfully, Requiem For The Red Raven still counted as one despite being double length.)
Since the scenario is one large adventure, it seems a little unfair to make a GM give up a replay star for each scenario.
Hopefully leadership will review this and revise it now that there is high level options that did not exist when Eyes was published. And also give back the stars to those who used them...
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You could do it with 2 stars and a dm recharge boon...It's what I did for Eyes. Probably use another recharge with the new gen con to replay some high level (12+) modules or AP legs.
That's what I've been planning to do, but the next table hasn't happened yet locally. I've since hit 3 stars, which means I now only need 1 from the recharge. And I need to factor in replaying the new Seeker arc at some point, too. I have a second Expanded Narrative boon I haven't started filling out yet.
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I think 1 star for 1 chronicle is a reasonable standard. Otherwise you could use one star to replay Quest for Perfection or City of Strangers. Or even The Devil We Know or Echoes of the Everwar, four chronicles for a single star.
Hmmm that is a good point.
However the Eyes are a special type of adventure and maybe it should get special handling for GMs.
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1 Star for 1 Replay is balanced. We have recharge boons. Having played in Blackmoor, Shining Jewel and Living Greyhawk (Just to name a few) PFS has married and added the best all around love to the player and GM base. While a lot of our members have never even heard of these before or its been so long since you have heard them/seen them typed, Please consider previous experiences with those replays or lack of them all together.
For a trip back in time for some of us and a peak at what some previous rules were:
Back in the day for other living campaigns GMs got no credit and had to eat the Adventure/Module. Or you had replay, but ended up with really bad grandfathering and tables of people farming equipment like in a "Diablo Run" You had good players and GMs walk after just a few months. Having a successful Campaign is about balance.
Other thoughts on this:
We have so much new content coming out this year and next.... How many times are you wanting to replay? Once? Twice? Others will want more runs for less and this will set presidence.
As a GM:
I do not like the idea of having a table of players who are on their 3 time playing EYEs. You will end up with one or two new players paired with 3-4 players on their 3rd run through... As a Vet player are you going to want to sit back while the two new guys are making a fatal mistake and not jump in?? What fun would it be for the 4 who have already played before? You know what's coming and we cannot change it......boring. Its one thing if you died and never got to finish which ever part you played compared to being your 2nd or third time through.
Even if it was a fellow VO sitting down I would be hesitant to run for them. Its hard to sit back in a high level game when you know the hammer is going to drop and not want to help the group. its a co-op game of team work. That's a hard habit to break.
I believe a person can hold back and not ruin the game for others on a replay, but in this instance we are talking about something unique. Something that requires a bit more from Players and GMs.
A Quality Experience like this is hard to come by. I think 1 Star for a replay is fine in my humble opinion. Across the board it keeps things even and fair. A chance to redeem oneself be it from a bad experience to dying half way through a story arc :D
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I am :D We have very active GMs in Florida and having been at tables were people are hoarding Certs and using player knowledge to gain all magic items and then watching the new wizard walk away with a bunch of leather armor and the fighter with a Spell Storing +1 Quarter Staff..... Yup I can safely say its a fine system with little need for a lot of replays. Things are good as is. Maybe awarding a Single Replay Boon would be nice to see, but then again that maybe a whole new can of worms.
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*headscratch* do your players not normally get all the loot anyway? All the scenario opens up is access to the item ahead of the fame score, which in my experience is pretty useless since you'll have the fame if you have the cash (especially now that playing up is both harder and not quite the treasurebath it used to be)
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I am :D We have very active GMs in Florida and having been at tables were people are hoarding Certs and using player knowledge to gain all magic items and then watching the new wizard walk away with a bunch of leather armor and the fighter with a Spell Storing +1 Quarter Staff.....
*headscratch* do your players not normally get all the loot anyway? All the scenario opens up is access to the item ahead of the fame score, which in my experience is pretty useless since you'll have the fame if you have the cash (especially now that playing up is both harder and not quite the treasurebath it used to be)
James is referencing back to the old organized play campaigns where magic items dropped once per scenario, and players were given a 'cert' to show they had received the only instance of that item. He is saying that PFS does it so much better.
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I used 4 stars to replay Eyes, as each adventure was a separate scenario. (Thankfully, Requiem For The Red Raven still counted as one despite being double length.)Since the scenario is one large adventure, it seems a little unfair to make a GM give up a replay star for each scenario.
Hopefully leadership will review this and revise it now that there is high level options that did not exist when Eyes was published. And also give back the stars to those who used them...
I don't believe this is in the cards at all. 1 star replay per chronicle. That means Dragon's Demand, Tears of Bitter Manor, Peril and Plunder, and Wardens of the Reborn Forge also all take 4 stars to replay and get all 4 chronicles a 2nd time.
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Dragon's Demand is an interesting case. I believe it'd only require 3. That 4th Chronicle is a bonus for completing the entire arc, not something you played or GMed thru, and it's never reported to the Paizo system.
I think 1 Star per session (scenario, module, AP, whatever) played or GMed is a better way to gauge replay.
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I don't believe this is in the cards at all. 1 star replay per chronicle. That means Dragon's Demand, Tears of Bitter Manor, Peril and Plunder, and Wardens of the Reborn Forge also all take 4 stars to replay and get all 4 chronicles a 2nd time.I used 4 stars to replay Eyes, as each adventure was a separate scenario. (Thankfully, Requiem For The Red Raven still counted as one despite being double length.)Since the scenario is one large adventure, it seems a little unfair to make a GM give up a replay star for each scenario.
Hopefully leadership will review this and revise it now that there is high level options that did not exist when Eyes was published. And also give back the stars to those who used them...
Hmm, I assumed that Dragon's Demand and Wardens would be 3 stars since their fourth sheets are bonus sheets and you only report 3 parts. (I admit I don't know the others you mentioned well enough to know what I would have thought)
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It looks like we have 2 questions here now:
1. What happens when you are holding level 13 GM credit and start playing Eyes of the Ten.
2. How many 'replays' does it take to replay:
(a) Eyes of the Ten
(b) Wardens of the Reborn Forge/Dragon's Demand
(c) Tears at Bitter Manor/Peril & Plunder
1. I think is a good question, though I think the majority have been saying the sheet would come on after Eyes.
2a. 4 stars2b. Either 3 or 4 (personally I think 3)
2c. Tears 2 (IMO), Peril 3 or 4 (3 IMO, as the 4th sheet is a bonus sheet)
Edit: I downloaded the chronicles between comments to take a look
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1. What happens when you are holding level 13 GM credit and start playing Eyes of the Ten.
2. How many 'replays' does it take to replay:
(a) Eyes of the Ten
I don't think requiring 4 Stars for Eyes of the Ten is up for contention. That's pretty well understood.
Likewise other Chronicles should be held until it's finished. I downloaded the first part to read its specific text, and it's not addressed. But the intent is clear, given the context of how Eyes is played.
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Dragon's Demand is an interesting case. I believe it'd only require 3. That 4th Chronicle is a bonus for completing the entire arc, not something you played or GMed thru, and it's never reported to the Paizo system.
I think 1 Star per session (scenario, module, AP, whatever) played or GMed is a better way to gauge replay.
This may be true. If it gets reported, then you eats up a star replay.
Using "session" is also confusing, because modules and APs have language that indicate they usually take more than one session and that a GM can dock XP and PP based on how many "sessions" are missed. Session is probably the most ambiguous but ubiquitous term associated with PFS.
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Dragon's Demand is an interesting case. I believe it'd only require 3. That 4th Chronicle is a bonus for completing the entire arc, not something you played or GMed thru, and it's never reported to the Paizo system.
I think 1 Star per session (scenario, module, AP, whatever) played or GMed is a better way to gauge replay.
This may be true. If it gets reported, then you eats up a star replay.
Using "session" is also confusing, because modules and APs have language that indicate they usually take more than one session and that a GM can dock XP and PP based on how many "sessions" are missed. Session is probably the most ambiguous but ubiquitous term associated with PFS.
Nah. I think "Level" still wins.
Maybe it should be one replay per XP-linked chronicle that has specific parts of the scenario/module/AP linked to it, no extra cost for bonus chronicles, whether the extra chronicles from DotS 2, or the bonus chronicles form Dragon's Demand/Wardens of the Reborn Forge, or even the Land Boon chronicle form Emerald Spire...
Maybe better way to say it:
Play a session, gain a chronicle that grants XP, needs a GM Star to replay.
Bonus chronicles, whether they grant XP (DD4) or special abilities (DotS2), do not cost any GM Stars, as long as you would otherwise qualify for it.
Note: Bonus chronicles with "played everything in campaign mode" would still require having gotten the normal XP-granting chronicles for the module, and meeting any other conditions required (like all three other chronicles applied to the same PC), to earn.