It's all farce, the OP hasn't even been back except to throw more wood on the fire.
Generally, I think it is best to avoid to have a PC get into a relationship with another PC without the consent of the second player. A lot of players identify with their PCs to a degree where this can feel very unpleasant for them. Saying "X finds Y very attractive" is one thing, saying "X falls in love with Y." The second thing removes player agency to a degree which can end up being very unpleasant to the player.
If the second dude (a.k.a. the Witch player) is really annoyed by this, just deep six the whole relationship angle. It sounds like a beer and pretzels game where people do not take the RP too seriously and sometimes rib each other, but still, you are all there to have fun, even those who want to play magical foxgirls.
I was really hoping this was a joke thread...
Wait, how can you have anything negative to say about PCs flirting? You expertly handled one of the PCs in the campaign you are running drunkenly flirting with an NPC.
The insane, knife happy, murderess NPC.
Her love (and his constant begging for help or mercy) is a constant joy to the rest of the party.
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Ahhh, so, Jen is a dude? No matter, I'm a modern Tarrasque, I don't judge:
See? I'll fix it:
Bob: Hey, Dave, I want my monk to seduce Jeff's witch.
Jeff: Well, dude, I don't swing that way so I don't want that to happen.
Bob: You're the GM, Dave, how can I seduce Jeff?
Jeff: You mean, how can your character seduce mine?
Bob: Yeah, whatever...
Dave: Well, I think three charisma checks should do it.
Jeff: What?
Bob: OK, cool. I got one. Two. Three! I made all three! Hubba hubba!
Dave: Well, Jeff, he made all three. I guess you'll have to go out with him.
Bob: Booyah!
Jeff: What!?!?
Dave: I mean, your witch has to go out with his monk. And have kitsune babies.
Jeff: What kind of game are you dudes running here?
Dave: I can't help it, he made the rolls!
Bob: Yeah, and now I want Jeff to wear a dress to every game session; it will help me get in character, so we can, uh, you know, roleplay...
(The names have been made up. Any resemblance to actual players is purely coincidental. This is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to actual events is purely coincidental.)
p.s. Don't worry, Jeff. I roleplayed in a dress once too...
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Blake, why'd you change it from "pervs" to "dudes"? Political correctness gone mad!
Ok, Monk here.
The last session Isis (OP) take, one of the dudes come with his new PC, his Kitsune Witch (his last rogue died). At some point of the quest, we where inside of a dark cave, I wanted to mess with this dude, so I told GM "Hey, I want to be nice and make the Which fall in love with me", so OP answered "Ok, you must make a Charisma check, get 3 consecutive 13 and maybe you have a chance".
My rolls where 11, 11 and 17 (plus 2 CHA). This is true.
Then OP said "Ok Witch, you can make a Will saving of 10 in order to avoid his love skills". She got 3. The witch can't resist the seductive powers of the low-dressed and well shaped monk.
This dude became very upset but was very hilarious.
After that, the Kitsune Witch was grappled by a Giant Squid (yeah, you can make an idea...), and the Monk went to the rescue.
Nobody mess with his Foxy Queen.
Yeah, mm, uh-uh, no. Don't do this. Don't let your players do this.
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... Political correctness gone mad!...
*BZZZZZZT*
Huh, what's this.
Weird, where did this buzzer come from.
Hey, did anyone here lose a buzzer? Anyone? No?
Hmm.
Yeah, mm, uh-uh, no. Don't do this. Don't let your players do this.
Seriously though, this.
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NONE OF YOU CAN AVOID MY LOVE SKILLS
this is a dumpster fire
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I want to look away, but I just can't....
did he at least put on his robe and wizard hat?
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Ok, Monk here.
The last session Isis (OP) take, one of the dudes come with his new PC, his Kitsune Witch (his last rogue died). At some point of the quest, we where inside of a dark cave, I wanted to mess with this dude, so I told GM "Hey, I want to be nice and make the Which fall in love with me", so OP answered "Ok, you must make a Charisma check, get 3 consecutive 13 and maybe you have a chance".
My rolls where 11, 11 and 17 (plus 2 CHA). This is true.
Then OP said "Ok Witch, you can make a Will saving of 10 in order to avoid his love skills". She got 3. The witch can't resist the seductive powers of the low-dressed and well shaped monk.
This dude became very upset but was very hilarious.
After that, the Kitsune Witch was grappled by a Giant Squid (yeah, you can make an idea...), and the Monk went to the rescue.
Nobody mess with his Foxy Queen.
What you guys are talking about isn't PC flirting - it is about the monk forcing himself on a character that doesn't seem to be interested. Aside from how screwed up that is from an RPG point of view, there is the issue of these unwanted advances, as well as the issue of sexual objectification of women.
Why are you treating this situation any different because the PC is female? I would call that a double standard.
Bottom line? If you are OK with the way that your character can "make the Which fall in love with me", I would suggest that the player playing the Witch might want to consider rolling up an a high-Intimidate oversexed gay Half-Orc Barbarian instead. Half-Orcs need love, too.
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I will say that all the jokes about "two guys=icky/funny" are a little off-kilter for this forum. Why is it inherently funny that both the players are guys? Why would it be inherently more undesirable if the new barbarian was gay? For all we know, both players are gay or bisexual and wouldn't have any problems with that. What's with all the "harhar I don't judge" shtick?
This isn't the 90s, guys.
I think the points about "what if the gay barbarian wanted to influence you by rolling dice" are really just to highlight how gross the idea of "a player character can be influenced by the dice to do things that the player may not want to do." By pointing out that there's an analogous case the person might be less comfortable with you're showing that they shouldn't be quite as comfortable with the original case as they are.
Regardless of the sexual orientation and gender identity of the player or the character, you shouldn't be forcing player characters to be participating in romantic relationships they have no interest in participating in, full stop. If player A and player B do want to be a couple in game (or out) that's entirely up to them and should have precisely nothing to do with game mechanics or die rolls.
But like "so-and-so rolled well, so now you're his GF" is the sort of thing I would just leave games over, and I don't think I'm alone in this. Stuff like this is why I avoid playing games with people I don't know because some people in this hobby are just gross.
Yeah, but you could make that just as clear with "half-orc barbarian" (I mean, assuming you don't "go green", if you take my meaning). "Gay" making it more "gross" is pretty transparent. Like you said, regardless of sexual orientation, this is gross. Adding in sprinklings of homophobia doesn't make that any clearer. :P
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Because jokes about a man making advances on a woman aren't funny. Ever. Except if you can make the man look like an idiot while he's doing it. That's funny.
But jokes about a man making advances on another man are the material of sit-coms. Still. Long after the 90s. Probably because that's awkward for the men involved (if it isn't for some reason, such as them welcoming the situation, then it's also probably not funny at all) and for the audience. Awkward is funny, or at least it can always be presented in a funny way. I don't write the rules on what's funny, I just observe them.
Even comments like "I don't judge" were intended to be poking fun at people who say such things while really judging (but it's obvious that this doesn't come across in writing it in a forum).
I actually don't judge. I'm firmly in the LGBT community myself and have no problems with or objections to romance between two guys - but that isn't what happened in this thread. There was no romance at all. It was very nearly the RPG version of a rufie, or at least hypnosis (in some weird world where hypnosis really works).
As for my making jokes on this thread, well, I'm trying to use humor to illustrate just how ridiculous the whole thing is, regardless of the genders involved. Utterly ridiculous. Insultingly ridiculous. But I thought that illustrating the absurdity in a humorous way would be less insulting than just coming in here and calling the people involved names (and I can think of many names that might be applicable).
Alright, fair enough. That said, just because sitcoms embrace it doesn't mean it's something they should embrace. "Gay panic" is a real thing that real people do make up to justify murder, after all.
Wow, I took this down a dark road. Let's get back to this thread's lighter fair:
d20s as roofies, good or bad?
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d20s as roofies, good or bad?
The first problem with the idea is that d20s are a choking hazard.
Wait, so this was a PC rolling charisma checks to make another PC fall for them? Not an NPC?
That's just wrong on so many levels.
Now funny wrong at all, just sick wrong. If this thread is a joke, the OP and the Monk player who came in who made it as a joke should be ashamed of themselves.
If this thread is NOT a joke and it actually is something that happened at a table, then the OP should sit down and think about GMing and learn how to respect all their players. And the monk player needs to rethink how they treat others, and learn what they think is 'hilarious' really REALLY isn't.
In that case I would suggest the player of the witch leave the table entirely and find a better group to play with.
I honestly think someone just came in and made up something , the OP himself never confirmed such absurd event ever happened.
Personally i prefer to trust the OP didnt allow one PC to make a roll and force another PC to fall in love with his , that would be ridiculous.
If it was a joke , then i wouldnt really care , like some many others time , people end up trying to tell others what they should and shouldnt find funny , which is worse than the events of said joke because it is how they think it is actually fine to act.
Except one of the players came into the thread and said he's the one who did it.
So it's either a two-man joke, or a two-man sexual harrassment travesty. I'm not sure which either.
It can leak over into real life. In a decade long DC Heroes game one of the other players and I decided our characters would develop a relationship. We were both married (in real life) and things could've gotten out of hand if we hadn't stopped things when we did.
"OK, but if there's any girls there I want to DO them!"
I will say that all the jokes about "two guys=icky/funny" are a little off-kilter for this forum. Why is it inherently funny that both the players are guys? Why would it be inherently more undesirable if the new barbarian was gay? For all we know, both players are gay or bisexual and wouldn't have any problems with that. What's with all the "harhar I don't judge" shtick?
This isn't the 90s, guys.
The "Jeff has to wear a dress next time" line was pretty amusing, though.