At which point they are no longer LG Incarnates and have changed alignment ;) So, the statement holds true. Compromising is a bad thing for Incarnations of alignments.
You're not stupid, Ael. Don't pretend you don't see the flaw in that argument of yours. If it were impossible, they wouldn't be able to take that one first step necessary to change alignment.
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Best explanation of LG ever imho.
Lawful Good is not Lawful. It is not Good.
It is Lawful Good.
So much yes.
At which point they are no longer LG Incarnates and have changed alignment ;) So, the statement holds true. Compromising is a bad thing for Incarnations of alignments.You're not stupid, Ael. Don't pretend you don't see the flaw in that argument of yours. If it were impossible, they wouldn't be able to take that one first step necessary to change alignment.
Tch! I never said they couldn't change alignment, which you are aluding to. If they stay LG, they don't make that exception. They change alignment, become something other then what they were, they do.
Chicken-egg, at this point.
==Aelryinth
So much yes.Best explanation of LG ever imho.
Lawful Good is not Lawful. It is not Good.
It is Lawful Good.
Have to agree. I love Lawful Good.
\\Aelryinth
See this is why my homebrew setting lacks natural fallen angels and the like. The only way you get one of those is with a helm of opposite alignment or something similar.
Tch! I never said they couldn't change alignment, which you are aluding to. If they stay LG, they don't make that exception. They change alignment, become something other then what they were, they do.
Chicken-egg, at this point.
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Again... If they can't act against their alignment, they can't make a choice that goes against it. Therefore, they'll always be locked in that alignment.
I literally have a Pathfinder Tales official novel right next to me where archons/angels do pretty evil stuff and still don't change their alignment.
EDIT: Bah! F%%$ it! I'm not having this discussion again!
I have that novel, too, and we don't actually know if they change their alignment as a result of what they are doing...we only know souls of evil people are turned into angels or archons. They are still turned into angels and obeying their superiors. Definitely outside the heavenly hierarchy! And it is made very clear that those angels have been corrupted and fallen from LG behavior by what they are doing by an outside force.
Indeed, the whole book is about artificial, outside forces affecting souls.
Indeed, we don't know the final destination of those mortal pawns who actually undertook their half of the job...
Oh, and btw, you're arguing an irrelevant point. I used the 'cannot compromise line' as a quote from Envall, I don't actually believe it. I believe an enlightened celestial would have a deeper knowledge of LG then any mortal. Certainly the risen ex-devil in that book realized that disobeying orders to uphold LG was the right thing to do, and lost a fetter because of it.
==Aelryinth
Racism implies that, for no reason whatsoever, the object of discrimination is considered lesser and inferior. It has nothing to do with reason, hatred or enmity...they are just 'lesser things' and treated accordingly. That is why it is Evil...it does not even have hatred or revenge backing it.
Actually, that is just one definition of racism. Racism (and prejudice in general) includes, on a more general level, the undue presumption of traits, behaviors, or characteristics to being intrinsically linked to race. Intentionally holding onto presumptuous views could be Evil because:
a) it provides motivation for unjust assumptions (and discrimination based on those assumptions) for the sake of convenience (basically, injustice for the sake of practicality, so this would fall under "sloth")b) can be used to falsely condemn those who don't meet unjust assumptions based upon how they "should" function (this can happen even due to assumptions of "positive" stereotypes)-wrath
c)falls under the presumption that one is entitled to make those judgements in the first place- pride
d)legitimizes the robbery (greed) and murder (wrath) toward a given party based upon their heritage rather than their actions.
Now, D&D is a very different world (or worlds, given the variability of settings) from our own with a different morality (moralities) than what we are used to in the real world. (For example, it would be hard to justify the feudal system with its serfs and peasants as a just and/or Good society by modern standards.) Race is used much more determinedly than it is the real world (it's almost more like "species" or even state of spiritual existence)
Racial enmity is hard to separate from racism because it presumes that the target of the enmity will be hostile and/or evil. They're bad people because they're bad people- painting all with the same brush. However, the basic assumptions of Pathfinder (and D&D/fantasy in general) presumes that Good allows (and perhaps even assumes) certain injustices (example: a form of slavery in which peasants are bound to the land, or, more generally, a person's worth in society is defined by what social class they are born into). Therefore, if Good in terms of how the game world works can allow for some evils, then a certain amount of evil like racial enmity can still be evil while being allowed by Good. In other words, something can be tagged as Good as defined by the game world without meeting perfect criteria of how we define Good in the real world.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/racism
Racial enmity actually is little more then a sign of training against a specific foe.
While the recipient of such training might actually hate them, the fact is it is simply a mechanical bonus, and not even a morale bonus as might come from emotional power. Furthermore, it is there regardless of alignment of trainee or target...dwarves simply learn how to fight orcs. It's called a racial bonus, and training, not a morale bonus.
And Good doesn't 'allow Evils', so much as 'is forced to tolerate' because it doesn't have the strength, i.e. hasn't won the battle of hearts and minds of the people. :)
==Aelryinth