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I don't like lemons themselves, but love lemon flavored things. It's a weird sort of dichotomy, but then again maybe I'm a weird sort of dichotomy... lol


I think you have a Byhakee where your tongue might be...

But yes, I get it. My mom is dichotomous.


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Drejk wrote:
Flying would be the most costly part anyway...

Pretty much. Aeglos was very kind in offering us a place to stay. I'd love to see Poland too. Especially here, and maybe here

Silver Crusade

Patrick Curtin wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Flying would be the most costly part anyway...
Pretty much. Aeglos was very kind in offering us a place to stay. I'd love to see Poland too. Especially here, and maybe here

We want to go to England next summer. I should get on that...

Silver Crusade

Evening, all. What did I miss?

Silver Crusade

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This sushi is dodgy. I'm going to wash it down with hard liquor and hope that kills any pathogens.


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White trash ceviche?


Patrick Curtin wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Flying would be the most costly part anyway...
Pretty much. Aeglos was very kind in offering us a place to stay. I'd love to see Poland too. Especially here,

You'd better hurry while it's still here... :(

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and maybe here

That one can be done. Assuming no significant changes to my life, no visit from my parents, and no Fortune throwing me far away, I should be able to provide you with a place to stay - as long as you don't mind an air mattress in a not-really tended to room (though it's still light years ahead of what it looked like prior to 2015).


Celestial Healer wrote:
This sushi is dodgy. I'm going to wash it down with hard liquor and hope that kills any pathogens.

That's why they put hot sauce on oysters.


Celestial Healer wrote:
Patrick Curtin wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Flying would be the most costly part anyway...
Pretty much. Aeglos was very kind in offering us a place to stay. I'd love to see Poland too. Especially here, and maybe here
We want to go to England next summer. I should get on that...

Well if you wanted to head upto York, I can give you a little tour. (of course despite the history it's also the hen-party capital of the North)


Treppa wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:
This sushi is dodgy. I'm going to wash it down with hard liquor and hope that kills any pathogens.
That's why they put hot sauce on oysters.

I thought it was to hide the fact that they taste like snot.


Drejk wrote:
Patrick Curtin wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Flying would be the most costly part anyway...
Pretty much. Aeglos was very kind in offering us a place to stay. I'd love to see Poland too. Especially here,

You'd better hurry while it's still here... :(

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and maybe here
That one can be done. Assuming no significant changes to my life, no visit from my parents, and no Fortune throwing me far away, I should be able to provide you with a place to stay - as long as you don't mind an air mattress in a not-really tended to room (though it's still light years ahead of what it looked like prior to 2015).

That's ominous. People clear cutting it?


The government is logging despite protests and international pressure not to.


DSXMachina wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:
Patrick Curtin wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Flying would be the most costly part anyway...
Pretty much. Aeglos was very kind in offering us a place to stay. I'd love to see Poland too. Especially here, and maybe here
We want to go to England next summer. I should get on that...
Well if you wanted to head upto York, I can give you a little tour. (of course despite the history it's also the hen-party capital of the North)

And it's near Hull, the cultural capitol of the UK.

Silver Crusade

DSXMachina wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:
Patrick Curtin wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Flying would be the most costly part anyway...
Pretty much. Aeglos was very kind in offering us a place to stay. I'd love to see Poland too. Especially here, and maybe here
We want to go to England next summer. I should get on that...
Well if you wanted to head upto York, I can give you a little tour. (of course despite the history it's also the hen-party capital of the North)

I don't know how far North we'd go, but I'll keep it in mind!

Silver Crusade

Treppa wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:
This sushi is dodgy. I'm going to wash it down with hard liquor and hope that kills any pathogens.
That's why they put hot sauce on oysters.

Well, I didn't get sick. Either the whiskey did its job, or the sushi was fine and just tasted lousy (entirely possible - the place was reputable).


Celestial Healer wrote:
This sushi is dodgy. I'm going to wash it down with hard liquor and hope that kills any pathogens.

be careful. Bad sushi killed a good friends love for all fish a number of years ago.


Drejk wrote:
The government is logging despite protests and international pressure not to.

Ugh. All the more reason to visit.


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The English government hasn't been known to be especially bright about conservation. *cites all the castles that still aren't turned into large scale LARPS.*


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
The English government hasn't been known to be especially bright about conservation. *cites all the castles that still aren't turned into large scale LARPS.*

Now THAT would be a reason to visit our cousins across the pond more often! :)

I've only been to Europe once, with a college group on one of those 2-week tour-specials. Our ORIGINAL Capitol city tour got cancelled, (we were the only ones who signed up, and they couldn't make money on just us) So we got combined with a retiree group on a Rhine River Driving Tour. We saw like 50 cities, towns and countries, some countries were the size of a postage stamp. :) By the time we were done, the retirees and teh college kids were all good friends believe it or not.

The only complaint I had was that we drove someplace new every day, so we spent ALL the time on the bus, and never got to see any of the sights (hardly, we saw a little) :P

But I never have made it to England. I'd love to go back, but the family's only really interested in Disney or Universal. :P
I keep telling them, "But we could be seeing a REAL castle!" :D


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"Well I've never been to England
But I kinda like the Beatles" - Three Dog Night

Silver Crusade

Afternoon, all. What did I miss?


Not much, really. It's been relatively quiet. Some talk about going to Europe. How's your day going?


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And... Today was the last actual day of my internship at Aviation Museum. Nominally, the internship ends on 31 but I had three days off to be used before the end of the month. I still need to go on 31 to get some papers.


Drejk wrote:
And... Today was the last actual day of my internship at Aviation Museum. Nominally, the internship ends on 31 but I had three days off to be used before the end of the month. I still need to go on 31 to get some papers.

Is this good or bad?


I have money for now, so I can dedicate more of my time and (rather limited) energy to writing for some time.


Drejk wrote:
I have money for now, so I can dedicate more of my time and (rather limited) energy to writing for some time.

Well, that's at least something good!


While I have nothing to add about cakes and Lovecraftian horrors, I do have an anecdote for you all.

Never, EVER, EVER, assume you know what numbers people give you for garage door codes WITHOUT first testing to see if it works for you.
Otherwise you might have a Mom with a hernia. That is all.


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Oh my...

Liberty's Edge

Hey guys, sorry I haven't been about. Work and non-work have been really busy lately, my board-time and pbp games are suffering.

Good news is I should meet the major deadline I have this week ... the bad news is my weekend will probably be largely centered around doing all the other work I have shunted to the side to meet the deadline on one project. And also, if I am less busy it gives me time to make a decision how to handle this job going forward ...

Liberty's Edge

Actually, I could use some advise about my work situation – which I will spoiler due to length.

Spoiler:

As some of you know, about 6 years ago I lost my job very suddenly and had trouble finding new work – my industry was in a general slow-down, and most companies were using software that I wasn’t trained in (the 2D CAD software that I had used in my previous few jobs was generally phasing out in favour of 3D BIM software …)

So after being out of work for about 4 months (money getting very tight in the meantime), I got offered a job by a friend of a friend (who has since become a friend as well as my boss) – the company was small and I had to take a pretty substantial pay cut compared to what I had been earning, but I only worked 4 days a week, had good flexibility in terms of start and finish times (which I need to get kids to and from school etc.), and had a lot less responsibility, so it generally suited me.

As the years have gone on the company has grown (from 3 people to 6) and I’ve become much busier – I work 5(+) days a week though I still have some flexibility in hours, my responsibility has increased so that I am the boss’s ‘right hand person’, overseeing the majority of our projects and the other people in the office while he focuses more on tendering, networking etc- making sure there is more work in the pipeline. Sometime work sucks, but generally its not bad – I like the people I work with, most of our projects are ok (though not super interesting, some of our clients are non a-holes, the atmosphere is fairly relaxed and the location is ok (good, but not that easy for me to get to).

The problem is I have is that I haven’t had a substantial pay increase since I started almost six years ago. I am earning well below industry standard for what I do … basically I am earning about the same that a first or second year graduate might be on, and I have been in the industry for 15+ years (I’m earning less than I did in the job I had three years out of university). I can pay the bills with enough left over for most of my leisure activities, but it is tight. I know that the company is doing ok but not great, and that it is pretty unlikely my boss could afford to pay me what I’m actually worth (or even mid-point between what I’m worth and what I’m currently paid) – I also know that I sort of have him over a barrel, as if I left the company would really struggle (and he would really struggle to find someone to replace me on what he can afford to pay).

I am growing increasingly frustrated at the situation, but the boss is my friend – I am reluctant to put him in a position where he has to pay me what he (apparently) can’t afford, or I leave and the company really flounders (I feel I am part of what we have built and I’m proud of it). But I feel he has benefitted from my friendship and loyalty on this matter for a long time. The other problem if I leave is that I know (from previous experience) I will struggle to find a job in this industry with the sort of flexibility of hours I currently enjoy – but that’s probably a more minor issue.

Any ideas from the floor?


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Start an at-home business that is not even remotely related to your current job. Do some tutoring in the use of CAD/CAM programs. Pick up an easy-to-learn trade, like small-engine repair, and open a small shop. It's not much, but it's all I can come up with right now.


Typical of one of our players last night, he's left alone on the docked Starship. There's a knocking on the hull, after determining it's coming from down below - near an airlock, he waits by it with his wrench for 10 minutes until there's no more signs.

Then goes to the cockpit & looks out, after another 10 minutes he spots a blonde man in grey overalls walking away, his response "Well can I see his face? If so I'll memorise it."

Then he does absolutely nothing about it, doesn't tell us - or security. He barely checks to make sure the ship isn't booby-trapped or bugged.

Just super frustrating, or rather it's the reason I joined this game - since otherwise the group would be composed of other passive players.


Couldn't come out of the ship with a pistol drawn, could he? His fault if the ship is tracked, or blows up.

Silver Crusade

Mothman wrote:

Actually, I could use some advise about my work situation – which I will spoiler due to length.

** spoiler omitted **...

Mothy, good to hear from you!

While I haven't been in that exact situation, there are enough similarities that some of what I've done may be applicable. I was hired on with my company about 5 years ago well below market salary, and have had to negotiate increases over the years. It's a larger company, but a very flat, segmented organization where my boss has a strict budget to stay within for our team of 15. Here are some strategies:

1. Watch for opportunities where excess revenue may be in play. If a high-ish paid employee leaves and the boss thinks he may hire someone more entry level, point out that you're being paid under market and see if some of that salary can be diverted your way. If the company gets any sort of windfall or a big payment from a client, that's an opportunity, too. Your "ask" will go farther when the boss is feeling good about the company finances.

2. Do you ever bring in any business through referrals or the like? If so, you could always offer something like "I know we may not be in a position to give out raises, but perhaps we could arrange something like a 10% commission on new business so that I can have more coming in and you're getting more clients."

Those two strategies have gotten me about 50% over the last 4 years.

Of course, this all assumes he recognizes that you are underpaid. Has he given any indication of such awareness?


Hey Moth!

Nice to see your buggy face again! :)

I am also in the 'underpaid by far less than I should be' position. ALthough working for a university it is otherwise completely different. :P

Yeah, it's tough being both a competent, and a nice person. ;P In understand you don't want to leave a now-friend in the lurch, but your new friend surely understands that you have to make a living too!

Has the industry in your field taken an upturn since your original troubles? Is getting a job that pays what you want now an option? If so perhaps you can find a new job, but perhaps be nice enough to train one of the other 6 or so co workers to be the 'new you', (Or help in the job search for a 'new you') so you don't leave your company and friend in a lurch?

I dunno, it is a conundrum. I'm hoping that your company/friend realizes how dedicated you have been to the business. And is at least sympathetic to your plight, even if he can't actually pay you what your worth, maybe he can provide incentives as the others have mentioned? Help out you and whomever else is there in the same shoes?

Good luck Mothy! :)


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Greetings Mothy!

My take: there are friends, and there are business partners. Someone can be both, but you need to separate out the roles. I haven't in the past, and it has let to bad things.

My advice: talk to your friend like he was a regular boss. Because, in the end, he is. Your friendship shouldn't be a factor, and if it is, then that is a warning flag. He is presuming your friendship is an excuse not to pay you your due


Moth: Figure out what your position is first. What do you want? Full, industry scale pay? Or are you happy enough there that you are willing to take somewhat below industry standard? Totally up to you. Figure out the number you want or conditions you'd like to see fulfilled.

Schedule a calm, open conversation about your salary at a time when there's not a lot of stress and your boss isn't run ragged. Briefly explain your expansion of duties and say that you'd like to be compensated if at all possible - if the company budget allows. If it doesn't, then [your position here - you'll be seeking work elsewhere? you would like to divest some of the extra work?] If the budget does allow, explain the number you had in mind and support it with your reasons.

There's a good book titled "Crucial Conversations" and another one called "Getting to Yes" about how to hold difficult conversations and how to get what you want in a principled way.


Patrick Curtin wrote:

Greetings Mothy!

My take: there are friends, and there are business partners. Someone can be both, but you need to separate out the roles. I haven't in the past, and it has let to bad things.

My advice: talk to your friend like he was a regular boss. Because, in the end, he is. Your friendship shouldn't be a factor, and if it is, then that is a warning flag. He is presuming your friendship is an excuse not to pay you your due

^ This is pretty much what I was going to say, only put way more diplomatically.


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Hi Scint! Long time no see!


How're things?


Oh hey here's where all the old-timers went.


Trying to be more active now - haven't really been on since I got to the new place for the new job. Still there, incidentally. Feels like it's working out for much longer term than previous district fingers crossed.


Negatives of ending the work... I still keep getting up at ridiculously early time.

Ok, ok, it's only been three days. Still, I could use some more sleep. I am already switching to getting to bed much-much later but still wake up too early for the time I am going to bed.

Liberty's Edge

Hey, thanks for the advice guys, I am going to have a chat with the boss tomorrow to lay out my concerns.


Just applied for a GM position for 2018's Tekko. Fifth year running the same sandbox campaign.


Bah. It's almost a certainty I won't be able to get to the end of the economics textbook by December. Ah well. They'll still finish off knowing a lot more than they did.


Cannon Fodder Robots

Come get your cheap legions of robotic doom!


hi everyone,

hi scint, hi orthos

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