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Near as I can figure the bad guy's plan was "Save my Universe first" and then if that worked he'd look into saving the rest of the Multiverse.


While I liked the whole "I trust my friends to do the right thing and to be there when I need them" - a classic Superman move that has been sorely lacking since the New 52 launch (and part of why I'm glad for Rebirth), I did feel that it had that sort of disjointed, not-entirely-contiguous approach that we got in 2016's "Supermen" mini series (was it "reign of the supermen" or something similar? Where they tried to evoke Kirby and kind of failed utterly?).

It was like they wanted to do Morrison without actually having read Morrison, in some ways.


Yeah I agree there was some morrison without the actual morrison to it, Jem.

Grey,

Probably.

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What did everyone think of the Justice League powwow (while buried 12 miles under a Canadian city)?


While I personally think that they aren't writing Jessica's anxiety properly (and by properly, I mean believably - she often times comes across as a caricature of someone with anxiety issues, and I say that as someone who suffers from them), and I'm a little tired of the "Batman isn't so much a detective as he is a paranoiac doomsday prepper" trope, I did like the way they handled Superman. I was very pleased with his optimistic outlook, his sort of Elder Statesman vibe, and his absolute belief in everyone around him. That's the Superman we need today.

I also liked that we got a good resolution on the threat they were facing without a 22-page fight scene. We only needed to know that they beat the menace. That's what they do, after all.


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I'm with Jem, the writing places annoyed me, but the tonal quality of Superman (especially this one) shows how much he's grown from being a "Boy Scout" to being a REAL leader of the group. Even if they don't quite share the same history, they know they can trust Superman.

So regardless of Jessica's anxiety (or badly written version) I feel at least THIS Justice League might be more adept at handling confusing situations.

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I think Justice League may be avoiding saying too much about Jessica's anxiety because it is being handled in Green Lanterns. We already know she is coping with it.
Unless there is a really good reason for it to come into play during a League mission I can see them not mentioning it too much.


I'd be in total agreement with you, Charles, if it wasn't for the fact that it is literally the only thing that she thinks about in any issue of Green Lanterns. Ever.

As a sufferer of depression and anxiety (I actually have PTSD, long story - actually, short story, but not for here), and as someone who has met and interacted with (therapy! YAY!) many other people with differing levels of anxiety, I can firmly say:

We think about things other than our anxiety. Rather a lot.

Jessica's constant struggle is not the problem, for me. It's the fact that it's literally all she talks about. Almost everyone I know who has anxiety (myself included) tends to talk about anything but because we simply don't want to talk about it - we fear being burdens, or "talking too much" about our problems.

Granted, my experiences are not hers, and everything I say is disclaimered with "in my experience," but she comes across as a caricature. And not in a funny ha-ha way.

I'm also kind of irked at how they're portraying Simon's commitment to his faith and religion (as in, they're not doing a very good job of it at all), but I'm not a Muslim, and none of the Muslims I associate with are on these boards, so it's not really my place to speak about it.

I really love both of the characters, though, don't get me wrong.

I would just like it if they were written as less "Exotic Personality Issues" and more "complex, layered people." They're coming off as increasingly two-dimensional, and that's not good for anyone.

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I can see your point. I do not know any anxiety suffers (or if I do, they have not told me about it), so I did not realize how Jessica was coming off. Maybe you should write DC and let them know.


I have my share of anxiety for sure. However I can see two PoVs on this: the writer's (who may or may not have insider info) and Jem's.

I think they do tend to focus more on Jess's issue with it than her ability to actual cope with it. Which I think it something we all try to do.

I also agree with Jem that I'd like to see more insight into Simon's religion mostly because it's an integral part of him. As much as being a Marine is to John Stewart.

So far they've both needed more and haven't really gotten it.

But hey at least we have Lobo! ;)


I've considered writing DC, but their track record for replies has been erring on the side of "we know what we're doing so nyah" for too long. Maybe with Rebirth firmly on its path, they'll have different responses, but I'm not sure.

It's certainly worth a shot, though.

And yeah, Thomas, that's what I've been noticing. Simon's faith appears to be the tattoo on his arm, and that's about it.

I'm still frustrated, mind you, that DC considers "willpower" an emotion - willpower is not an emotion. It's literally your force of will. The ring is fueled by the emotion of courage, and it takes willpower to control it. Every other ring gets it right except Green. I place the blame firmly on Geoff Johns.


I don't blame Geoff for much of anything. Except the fact he left and then we had crappier writers doing GL.


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I've considered writing DC, but their track record for replies has been erring on the side of "we know what we're doing so nyah" for too long. Maybe with Rebirth firmly on its path, they'll have different responses, but I'm not sure.

It's certainly worth a shot, though.

And yeah, Thomas, that's what I've been noticing. Simon's faith appears to be the tattoo on his arm, and that's about it.

I'm still frustrated, mind you, that DC considers "willpower" an emotion - willpower is not an emotion. It's literally your force of will. The ring is fueled by the emotion of courage, and it takes willpower to control it. Every other ring gets it right except Green. I place the blame firmly on Geoff Johns.

I have no problem with willpower being described as an emotion.


Freehold,

I don't either considering we have a Martian that has more powers than Superman and Wonder Woman.


The newest issue of Super-man has me kind of confused but I am hoping this might lead us to seeing more of Kenan Kong being less of a dick.

Maybe.

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Speaking of the Martian Manhunter. His powers would be perfect for what just happened in Action Comics.

Detective 950:
Wow! Batman is building an Army. I guess Ozzy has him really nervous.

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Charles,

I'm betting he was some how rendition into the program. That or he was co-opted by Waller before his activities become too heinous. Maybe.

Nightshade has yet to show her self. Nor for that matter has much of the Shadowpact guys. (Detective Chimp, Blue Devil, Nightmaster, or Warlock's Daughter)

Detective Chimp just appeared in the Batman annual.

I must correct myself. Detective Chimp did not appear in the Batman annual, he was in the DC Holiday Special with Batman.

Both came out the same day and had short stories about Christmas/winter, so I got them mixed up.
Sorry about that.


Sokay Charles. Thanks for clarifying.

Also this isn't the first time Batman has tried to build an army...

Just never this big.


Is it weird that unlike Egg Fu, I think Fui Onyui isn't my first choice for redeeming the Yellow evil thingie thing for Chinese Americans?


So *looks over DC comic releases* *sees nothing changes* I hope we get to Rebirth more on Superman cause so far I don't see much changes on the DC climate.

I mean other than Batwoman apparently pulling of a violent coup in Gotham. Which might mean League of Shadows but I could be wrong.

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Yeah, I wasn't too sure of what was going on at the end there.
This is the fourth time DC has launched a Batwoman series in the last few years. I wonder if this one will last.


Charles,

I hope so. Maybe this time they'll let Kate get married. It would be a nice change.


So far I can say this about Rebirth Superman; He's clearly got some explaining to do about why there's a Robin locked up in a cage and how someone got free...


That was Mr. Oz, not Superman, who had those folks locked up.

I have to say, I'm enjoying having Tomasi back on Superman, though. Not going to lie.


Jem,

I know who it was, I just meant He in general. Like...who ever!

*is confused as hell right now*


Ah, okay! I thought you meant He as in Superman. Because, as it happens, Superman DOES... did?... have some people locked up!

For their own good.

Mostly.


If you mean those guys in his OTHER fortress, I don't count them cause they're pretty much villains.

I was more talking about why these stories seem to be going off in different directions at the same time...


Oh. Well. THAT...

Is because the writers have been told to weave all the threads into one another before the final Rebirth arc can begin.

Or, at least, that's my hypothesis.

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Sort of like what they did in the years before Crisis.


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Jem,

I guess we'll see then.


Well it wasn't the BEST solution but at least we get to see why Myx hasn't been showing up for a while.

Plus you know it showcases he might present a problem to the Post-Flashpoint Status Quo for Mister Oz.

I liked the backup story more than the main story. Which is weird but then again it's how it goes isn't it?


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I admit, I didn't see that coming until

Spoiler:

Until Neo-Clark Kent started going on about how Superman had forgotten him.

When he said that, and then the scenery changed (and he changed with it), I shouted "MXY!" and startled my cat awake.


Jem,

It was a great moment, no question.


The backup story also gave a perfect feel for You-Know-Who's inability to accept reality, too. When Jon said what he said about why Superman never showed, Jon's response was completely correct, but You-Know-Who just couldn't accept it.

Also, I love that they kept his girlfriend from the Animated Superman.

Slightly off topic, but Astro City this week was great. I called the ending around page three, but it was a fun ride getting there.


I did like the nods to previous iterations and/or realities that Mr. Tahelpurp had been in.

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See, the same here as in the marvel threads. You don't read anything for two or three weeks and I already have no idea what the hell you're talking about (and please don't tell me, I like to be surprised by reading the stuff myself ^^)


Wormy,

Don't worry. Other than the reveal behind fake Clark Kent, you'll be VERY surprised. Maybe.

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I've been enjoying the new Nightwing series, even though it seems they're writing it like his previous time in Bludhaven never happened. The only real (and unavoidable) problem I have with the series though, is that they have to maintain its connection to the rest of the Bat-verse.

Which, sadly, means we inevitably (as in the most recent issue) get a guest appearance by that obnoxious little snot Damian. And if his appearances elsewhere are written similarly, I can see my dislike of the annoying little s&#$ is justified. He comes across as the arrogant little snot-rag Morrison first introduced him as.

Ah well, at least I got to see Nightwing take him down hard and point out just how much of a little s&!% he is.

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I've been enjoying the new Nightwing series, even though it seems they're writing it like his previous time in Bludhaven never happened. The only real (and unavoidable) problem I have with the series though, is that they have to maintain its connection to the rest of the Bat-verse.

Which, sadly, means we inevitably (as in the most recent issue) get a guest appearance by that obnoxious little snot Damian. And if his appearances elsewhere are written similarly, I can see my dislike of the annoying little s&*$ is justified. He comes across as the arrogant little snot-rag Morrison first introduced him as.

Ah well, at least I got to see Nightwing take him down hard and point out just how much of a little s&@# he is.

I'll have to check it out, I've always been a big fan of Nightwing (and also don't care for Damian, so have been avoiding that Titans book, despite loving the Titans).

Heroes with an acrobatic fighting style, like Nightwing, Spider-Man, Nightcrawler, Dagger, Timber Wolf, etc. are fun to read about, since they are always in dynamic motion.

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I've been enjoying the re-launched Detective Comics, even if it really is more of a team book now, and they don't seem to do any actual detective work. Even though I'd never heard of James Tynion before, for the most part I've been enjoying his writing. I thought one of the better issues he's done was a recent one with a sort of Cassandra Cain focus.

My only real problem, I suppose, is that he barely seems to know how to write anything other than a story with some massive, city-destroying plot by epic villains. I honestly wonder if he has what it takes to write something more simple. Or maybe it's just the powers-that-be won't let him....

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Aberzombie wrote:

I've been enjoying the new Nightwing series, even though it seems they're writing it like his previous time in Bludhaven never happened. The only real (and unavoidable) problem I have with the series though, is that they have to maintain its connection to the rest of the Bat-verse.

Which, sadly, means we inevitably (as in the most recent issue) get a guest appearance by that obnoxious little snot Damian. And if his appearances elsewhere are written similarly, I can see my dislike of the annoying little s&*$ is justified. He comes across as the arrogant little snot-rag Morrison first introduced him as.

Ah well, at least I got to see Nightwing take him down hard and point out just how much of a little s&@# he is.

I'll have to check it out, I've always been a big fan of Nightwing (and also don't care for Damian, so have been avoiding that Titans book, despite loving the Titans).

Heroes with an acrobatic fighting style, like Nightwing, Spider-Man, Nightcrawler, Dagger, Timber Wolf, etc. are fun to read about, since they are always in dynamic motion.

The new Titans book, with Wally West, has been pretty good. Sadly, I think they're going to do a cross-over with the Teen Titans book soon-ish.


A-Zombie,

I think the cross over gets weak when you have Deathstroke having access to the Speed Force. But that's just me.

I've read some Tynion before. He's a decent writer but I wouldn't say he's better than Gail Simone.

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I've never bothered to read any of Gail Simone's stuff (nothing worth remembering, anyway), so I couldn't say. That being said, I'm fairly certain I could develop a pretty long list of writers who are better than Tynion. He's young, though. Hopefully, he'll improve.

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Aberzombie wrote:
I've been enjoying the new Nightwing series, even though it seems they're writing it like his previous time in Bludhaven never happened.

It didn't, at least not in the New 52. When the current Superman, from another Earth, met Nightwing, he mentioned how his friend Nightwing had spent time in Bludhaven.

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The new Titans book, with Wally West, has been pretty good. Sadly, I think they're going to do a cross-over with the Teen Titans book soon-ish.

It's been okay. I've always loved Brett Booth's art, ever since first seeing it over at Image with the Wildcore, etc. books, but the story has been a bit slow, for me. I'm not as much of a fan of Tim Drake as I am of Grayson, but he's also cool, and I like Donna, Garth and Roy. Lilith is even growing on me, although, since I was more of a Wolfman/Perez era Titans fan, I tend to think of Lilith as a second-rate Raven, which is ironic, since Lilith way predates Raven... :)

It's weird, reading about these characters, and wondering what relation, if any, they have to the ones I grew up with. Who Is Donna Troy? was a great story, back in the day, and, once again, we have no idea who she is. Garth's backstory is uncertain. Wally's marriage and children are part of a future that may never happen. Roy just off-handedly mentioned being an ex-junkie, so at least that's still part of his backstory, but he's probably not got a kid by Cheshire, and who knows if he was raised by Navajo...

For DC, all I'm reading at the moment is this Titans (not the one with Damian), and the new Justice League of America (mainly to see Vixen again, and Black Canary, since I range from not-a-fan of Batman to irrationally-dislike Lobo).

Maybe someday there'll be a Legion of Super-Heroes resurfacing, but, given how likely DC is to attempt another reboot and *further* divide an already fragmented fanbase (and then blame them for the book not selling...), I'm not going to hold my breath.

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Don't worry. Other than the reveal behind fake Clark Kent, you'll be VERY surprised. Maybe.

Well, in the meantime I've read up on all those Superman issues and what surprised me most was how hilarious some of those issues were. I was laughing out loud more than one time and while I was a bit hesitant about Supes having a son at first, in the meantime I've come to love the idea as it puts the focus even more on Clark's humanity. As an aside, I also like Damian so having him and Jon together in a stand-alone series might be just my cup of tea.

I still don't get all this behind the scenes stuff, and as I've never read anything related to the Minutemen (I'm not the biggest Alan Moore fan on earth), I can't even guess. Which is actually quite cool.

Set wrote:
Maybe someday there'll be a Legion of Super-Heroes resurfacing, but, given how likely DC is to attempt another reboot and *further* divide an already fragmented fanbase (and then blame them for the book not selling...), I'm not going to hold my breath.

.

Well, you can never know, but as I just today took a look at the recent sales numbers, I think that DC is actually doing good at the moment. Way better than with New 52, as it seems, so I think that Rebirth actually did bring the fanbase together again (if only for the moment).


Watchmen isn't required reading in my book since they've yet to reveal the extent of ANYTHING Watchmen related. Other than vagaries and allusions, honestly.

*is however surprised Wormy can't figure out who I meant when I said Tahelpurp.*

A-zombie,

Her run on Batgirl and especially Birds of Prey along with Secret Six were some of my favorite comic book runs, quite honestly.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
*is however surprised Wormy can't figure out who I meant when I said Tahelpurp.*

I thought that referred to the actual persona behind fake Clarkie, did it not? Still don't know what you meant with the big surprise other than that? ^^

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Her run on Batgirl and especially Birds of Prey along with Secret Six were some of my favorite comic book runs, quite honestly.

Same here.


Wormy,

Uhm yeah that's what I meant. I just figured you had figured it out by now...


Set wrote:

Heroes with an acrobatic fighting style, like Nightwing, Spider-Man, Nightcrawler, Dagger, Timber Wolf, etc. are fun to read about, since they are always in dynamic motion.

One of the things that's always bugged me about that sort of fighting style is that the heroes are never shown to be anything close to out of breath when they fight that way and don't have metahuman-style metabolisms and stamina.

Acrobatics are exhausting. Even if you practice every day, and you "get used" to the exertion, you're still burning thousands of calories and putting your body through stress it wasn't designed for. That sort of stuff is murder on your body after a while.

I know, I know, super powers and comic books and all that, but it would be nice to see Nightwing or Robin or Batgirl out of breath, or wondering how certain other flippy-quippy types manage it without ever breaking a sweat, and the answer being "Metahuman" followed by a round of grumbling under their breath.

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