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Are Faction Prestige awards and vanities also in SoS? I've never managed to find them; aside from the mention of them in the Guide, I've never heard them so much as mentioned.{snip}
We might see people purchase faction prestige awards and vanities, which is something I haven't seen any newbies purchase in quite a while. Or, when they hear myself or someone talk about it, they get excited until they realize that it's out of print, and PDF's only.
Faction prestige awards are in The Pathfinder Society Field Guide, and vanities are in both the Field Guide, and The Pathfinder Society Prime. For faction awards, you can't get anything from Sczarni and Shadow Lodge (the factions that are no longer existent). Also, certain ones (like The Risen, from Osirion) are no longer valid due to the factions no longer representing the countries, and now focusing on an ideal.
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Faction prestige awards are in The Pathfinder Society Field Guide, and vanities are in both the Field Guide, and The Pathfinder Society Prime. For faction awards, you can't get anything from Sczarni and Shadow Lodge (the factions that are no longer existent). Also, certain ones (like The Risen, from Osirion) are no longer valid due to the factions no longer representing the countries, and now focusing on an ideal.Are Faction Prestige awards and vanities also in SoS? I've never managed to find them; aside from the mention of them in the Guide, I've never heard them so much as mentioned.{snip}
We might see people purchase faction prestige awards and vanities, which is something I haven't seen any newbies purchase in quite a while. Or, when they hear myself or someone talk about it, they get excited until they realize that it's out of print, and PDF's only.
I thought you could still earn faction specific vanities:
Liberty’s Edge faction PCs qualify for Andoran faction
vanities and mission boons available in past seasons.
Likewise, Dark Archive faction PCs qualify for Cheliax
rewards, Scarab Sages as Osirion, The Exchange as
Qadira, and Sovereign Court as Taldor. Without a boon
that states otherwise, a PC cannot earn Sczarni vanities
or boons.
I assume that now instead of owing your life to the Osirian Emperor, you would owe your life to a certain faction head who can most definitely easily bring back people she chooses to... :)
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I would like to add my support to the idea of a new physical PFS book. I would certainly buy it. I understand the convenience of transporting PDFs vs books and I even own a couple PDFs purely for character legality issues for character options that come from out of print books, but I vastly prefer the books. I don't even use the PDFs I have they're purely "in case of an audit" insurance.
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Faction prestige awards are in The Pathfinder Society Field Guide, and vanities are in both the Field Guide, and The Pathfinder Society Prime. For faction awards, you can't get anything from Sczarni and Shadow Lodge (the factions that are no longer existent). Also, certain ones (like The Risen, from Osirion) are no longer valid due to the factions no longer representing the countries, and now focusing on an ideal.Are Faction Prestige awards and vanities also in SoS? I've never managed to find them; aside from the mention of them in the Guide, I've never heard them so much as mentioned.{snip}
We might see people purchase faction prestige awards and vanities, which is something I haven't seen any newbies purchase in quite a while. Or, when they hear myself or someone talk about it, they get excited until they realize that it's out of print, and PDF's only.
I thought you could still earn faction specific vanities:
I assume that now instead of owing your life to the Osirian Emperor, you would owe your life to a certain faction head who can most definitely easily bring back people she chooses to... :)Liberty’s Edge faction PCs qualify for Andoran faction
vanities and mission boons available in past seasons.
Likewise, Dark Archive faction PCs qualify for Cheliax
rewards, Scarab Sages as Osirion, The Exchange as
Qadira, and Sovereign Court as Taldor. Without a boon
that states otherwise, a PC cannot earn Sczarni vanities
or boons.
I thought I remembered reading that The Risen was no longer an option when the Osirion faction stopped following the Ruby Prince, and instead started following Amenopheus. I'll try to remember to look into it tomorrow, but it's 1:15am here now and I need sleep. If someone else can clarify in the meantime, great! :)
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Liberty’s Edge faction PCs qualify for Andoran faction vanities and mission boons available in past seasons. Likewise, Dark Archive faction PCs qualify for Cheliax rewards, Scarab Sages as Osirion, The Exchange as Qadira, and Sovereign Court as Taldor. Without a boon that states otherwise, a PC cannot earn Sczarni vanities or boons.
Annnnnd now I noticed that I don't retain the Armiger and Hellknight awards after changing to the Exchange. And I've been using both AND Master of Trade for a year or so...
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Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento
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Liberty’s Edge faction PCs qualify for Andoran faction vanities and mission boons available in past seasons. Likewise, Dark Archive faction PCs qualify for Cheliax rewards, Scarab Sages as Osirion, The Exchange as Qadira, and Sovereign Court as Taldor. Without a boon that states otherwise, a PC cannot earn Sczarni vanities or boons.Annnnnd now I noticed that I don't retain the Armiger and Hellknight awards after changing to the Exchange. And I've been using both AND Master of Trade for a year or so...
If you went through 5-99(?) there was a special boon that let you keep them. (According to the guide at least, I never got a chance to play it. :( )
Otherwise, yeah, normal rules for changing factions.
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Liberty’s Edge faction PCs qualify for Andoran faction vanities and mission boons available in past seasons. Likewise, Dark Archive faction PCs qualify for Cheliax rewards, Scarab Sages as Osirion, The Exchange as Qadira, and Sovereign Court as Taldor. Without a boon that states otherwise, a PC cannot earn Sczarni vanities or boons.Annnnnd now I noticed that I don't retain the Armiger and Hellknight awards after changing to the Exchange. And I've been using both AND Master of Trade for a year or so...
Hmmm? I very specifically remember bailing on a faction let you keep everything.
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If you changed factions as part of the free faction change in season 6, you keep all of your vanities. I believe that was detailed in one of the blog posts. The guide doesn't need to say that now, because it's no longer season 6, and all of those free changes are already done.
As far as I know, there is no special case eliminating The Risen. There was a special case that extended the restriction it gives so that if you had The Risen on a character, that character had to stay Scarab Sages and could not use the free faction change in season 6.
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Liberty’s Edge faction PCs qualify for Andoran faction vanities and mission boons available in past seasons. Likewise, Dark Archive faction PCs qualify for Cheliax rewards, Scarab Sages as Osirion, The Exchange as Qadira, and Sovereign Court as Taldor. Without a boon that states otherwise, a PC cannot earn Sczarni vanities or boons.Annnnnd now I noticed that I don't retain the Armiger and Hellknight awards after changing to the Exchange. And I've been using both AND Master of Trade for a year or so...
If it was part of the Season Six free faction change, then I believe there was language allowing a character utilizing the free change to keep their former faction's prestige awards / vanities.
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If it was part of the Season Six free faction change, then I believe there was language allowing a character utilizing the free change to keep their former faction's prestige awards / vanities.Liberty’s Edge faction PCs qualify for Andoran faction vanities and mission boons available in past seasons. Likewise, Dark Archive faction PCs qualify for Cheliax rewards, Scarab Sages as Osirion, The Exchange as Qadira, and Sovereign Court as Taldor. Without a boon that states otherwise, a PC cannot earn Sczarni vanities or boons.Annnnnd now I noticed that I don't retain the Armiger and Hellknight awards after changing to the Exchange. And I've been using both AND Master of Trade for a year or so...
Unless it has been errataed:
Should a faction be retired, it will feature in a special scenario designed to wrap up its story. Any character who belongs to a faction that’s retiring and receives credit for participating in one of these faction scenarios will be able to receive a special reward on the scenario’s Chronicle sheet. At anytime thereafter, before the faction is removed as a legal choice from the campaign, that character may change to a different faction one time at no cost. Any faction-specific vanities, titles, traits, prestige items, or other purchases made while the character was a member of the retired faction are retained by that character with no changes. After the faction is retired, none of these faction-specific items are available for future purchase.
Characters who belong to a faction that’s being retired but who do not receive credit for the associated retirement scenario prior to the faction being eliminated must change factions (again at no cost) prior to receiving credit for any further scenarios. No character may belong to a retired faction after the faction’s elimination under any circumstances.
Note the difference in the language.
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And as a completely aside note... Curse you Hero Lab for making me buy the Inner Seas Guide just so I can justify leaving that book toggled on in Hero Lab when making/updating a PFS character!
I say this because HL excludes almost all the nation specific languages unless you have the inner seas guide data package enabled... despite them being made accessible without that book. in PFS.
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I can't find where Mike/John said it, but preety sure you keep vanities from the Season Six free change. The idea being that since six of the eight factions were radically changed/retired, that players that were stuck in a faction that no longer applied to them would not be punished for changing to something that better fit their character. For example, Bill does stuff for Taldor, season six comes around, and suddenly he's a member of the illuminati (Sov. Court), this holds no interest to him, so he gets a free change, and gets to change to something else without losing out on his Taldor stuff.
BTW, the faction retirement scenario stuff doesn't really have anything to do with the free Season Six change.
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Look in the Year of the Sky Key Q&A Blog
When the five nation-based factions (Andoran, Cheliax, Osirion, Qadira, and Taldor) changed into ideological factions, how many faction-specific features and rewards could a PC retain?
As noted on pages 17-18 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play, a member of a retiring faction retains "any faction-specific vanities, titles, traits, prestige items, or other purchases made while the character was a member of the retired faction." As a result, a Cheliax faction PC who purchased the Hellknight prestige award would retain it no matter which faction she ended up joining at the start of Season 6.
They were essentially considered retired, even though they just transitioned.
EDIT: And since there was a question about whether or not Scarab Sages could take The Risen vanity, here is the answer showing that they can from the same Blog.
Is a character benefiting from The Risen faction prestige award required to stay with the Scarab Sages faction as the natural evolution of the Osirion faction?
This is a special case, given the enduring consequences of purchasing that particular prestige award. A character who possessed this prestige award prior to August 14th, 2014 does not qualify for the free faction change. He can, however, pay 3 Prestige Points per character level to change factions, as described on page 17 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play. A member of the Scarab Sages faction who acquires The Risen prestige award [on or after August 14th, 2014] is bound to that faction and cannot change factions.
Bolding mine.
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Ah thank you - I was just about to go searching. I remembered seeing something about it somewhere. I think I'm remembering the back and forth about people who were uneasy about the faction changing goals, since as The Risen they had pledged to the Ruby Prince. Glad to know I was wrong about taking it, especially since I have so many Scarab Sages (all of which have yet to die)!
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Look in the Year of the Sky Key Q&A Blog
When the five nation-based factions (Andoran, Cheliax, Osirion, Qadira, and Taldor) changed into ideological factions, how many faction-specific features and rewards could a PC retain?
As noted on pages 17-18 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play, a member of a retiring faction retains "any faction-specific vanities, titles, traits, prestige items, or other purchases made while the character was a member of the retired faction." As a result, a Cheliax faction PC who purchased the Hellknight prestige award would retain it no matter which faction she ended up joining at the start of Season 6.They were essentially considered retired, even though they just transitioned.
Thank you! I looked for that over an hour. Must've skimmed it somehow.
Time to re-edit my wiki pages, sheets, folios and all.