Bear form; What can I do in it?


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Druid in bear form, can I fight on two legs ? where armor ? how humanoid can I make a bear ?

Scarab Sages

When a druid (or anyone with beast shape, form of the dragon, or whatever,) takes on another form, a number of things happen.

Druid Wild Shape wrote:


Wild Shape (Su)

At 4th level, a druid gains the ability to turn herself into any small or Medium animal and back again once per day. Her options for new forms include all creatures with the animal type. This ability functions like the beast shape I spell, except as noted here. The effect lasts for 1 hour per druid level, or until she changes back. Changing form (to animal or back) is a standard action and doesn't provoke an attack of opportunity. The form chosen must be that of an animal the druid is familiar with.

A druid loses her ability to speak while in animal form because she is limited to the sounds that a normal, untrained animal can make, but she can communicate normally with other animals of the same general grouping as her new form. (The normal sound a wild parrot makes is a squawk, so changing to this form does not permit speech.)

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Beast Shape 1 wrote:

Beast Shape I

School transmutation (polymorph); Level alchemist 3, bloodrager 3, magus 3, sorcerer/wizard 3; Subdomain fur 3

CASTING

Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, M (a piece of the creature whose form you plan to assume)

EFFECT

Range personal
Target you
Duration 1 min./level (D)

DESCRIPTION
When you cast this spell, you can assume the form of any Small or Medium creature of the animal type. If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: climb 30 feet, fly 30 feet (average maneuverability), swim 30 feet, darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, and scent.

Small animal: If the form you take is that of a Small animal, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Dexterity and a +1 natural armor bonus.

Medium animal: If the form you take is that of a Medium animal, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Strength and a +2 natural armor bonus.

Notice how the spell is a polymorph spell. I don't want to re-create the entire thing on polymorphing here, but the rules for what happens while polymorphed are presented HERE

The long and the short of it is that all gear melds into your body. Things like amulets and rings still work, but things that require you to use them (wands, potions, things like a robe of bones) do not. Since your armor melds into your form and stops functioning, you CAN wear armor, but what would have to happen is someone would have to go over and fit you with 'barding' (animal armor) since you can't put it on yourself. Rules for barding can be found in the equipment section of the core rulebook.

I BELIEVE that light-medium-heavy armor proficiency translates to barding armor proficiency, but I could be wrong.

You cannot use weapons unless the form you shift into has hands (like a Monkey or ape). As far as 'fighting bipedally,' there is no mechanic for that. If you want to say your bear form fights on its hind legs, that's fine, but it wouldn't give you any mechanical benifit or detriment (well, actually it would be a bit of a detriment, you'd be easier to trip since you weren't on all fours, but that's a minor thing.)

Rules as written, when you wild shape into a bear, you are a normal bear. A plain ol' normal bear. You may not look like a particularly good rendition of a bear (people get a perception check vs. your disguise check+10 to see through the facade) but otherwise, you biology is 100% bear.

EDIT: There is an armor enchantment (called 'wild) that lets you keep your armor bonus to AC when wild-shaped. However, it is VERY expensive. It costs as much as a +3 bonus, so a suit of +1 Wild Dragonhide breastplate (the best, cheapest druid armor you could get with wild on it) would cost 16,700 and give you an AC bonus of +7.


Lastoutkast wrote:
Druid in bear form, can I fight on two legs ?

You can claw claw bite. Despite kung fu panda you cannot wield a weapon.

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where armor ?

Animal armor is called barding. If you like bear form, turning into a bear and having your party put your leather/ leaf armor / hide/ dragonhide full plate armor on you is a huge cost saver over buying the overpriced wild enchant. The downside is that you have to pick one size to stay at or you lose the armor.

You can also pick up a wand of mage armor and have someone in the party hit you with it for +4 armor. You can also do both: they overlap when you have barding but the the mage armor will kick in if you go full on dire bear.


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Poop in the woods!

In all seriousness, I think others have covered it. Short answer, you lose pretty much everything and gain whatever the spell says you gain. You can always full attack with all your natural weapons (unless they're on the same limb) so you can claw/claw/bite, it doesn't care how you do it (probably standing on two legs). The rest is common sense. You can't use humanoid weapons (no thumbs), you have to wear special bear armor, and you can't talk (not the right vocal cords). You can still grapple, trip, disarm, and any other combat maneuver. There's a feat that fixes the talking thing (if it's Wild Shape and not Beast Shape).


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Wild shaping? Read entry 198


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The bear minimum.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

You still keep your mental stats, so your character doesn't have bear intelligence, but physically you are 100% a bear. No armor, only natural attacks, and you can't talk/spellcast unless you have the feat for it. You can't stand on two legs, I don't think, though you could probably rear up briefly to attack. But you can still plan out your actions like your character otherwise would.


A bear is basically a 300 pound raccoon. They can open doors. They can rifle through backpacks. Pretty much anything you can do in thick mittens.


From my understanding, you can make unwanted sexual advances on Leonardo DiCaprio.


Lastoutkast wrote:
Druid in bear form, can I fight on two legs ? where armor ? how humanoid can I make a bear ?

You could certainly rear up on two legs while attacking, but using manufactured weapons is not allowed.

The rules for armor are a little ambiguous. There are two different ways to do it - use either the rules for "Barding" or "Armor for Unusual Creatures" as you see fit.

You can't make your bear humanoid. You are wearing an accurate bear suit. Your mind, however, remains your own, so you can certainly take actions which an actual bear wouldn't. In fact, someone who is familiar with bears might easily determine that you aren't one if you're not good at imitating their normal behavior.


Thanks all! Great answers, I know wild shape pretty well I guess I was looking for more of what CAN an animal do if it had a human mind. But maybe thats more of a GM thing than a rules thing.


Bears are fairly agile. They can be taught to ride bicycles (but probably shouldn't be). Youtube it if you want.

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