The "too much books and bloat" argument.

[thejeff]

CWheezy wrote:

Sure its a relative term but we have a lot of games to compare pathfinder to. Any turn based tactical game is pretty fair.

Pathfinder balance is so incredibly bad compared to anything I've played, its so weird to see people defend it

I'm not sure what you mean by "turn based tactical game", but if I had to guess I'd say that those games are also incredibly limited compared to even Pathfinder Core, both in terms of the design space for the build game and in terms of what you can do while actually playing.

[Zedth]

Mykull wrote:

Here's my rule: Players, you are limited to Pathfinder books that I own. That's Core, APG, Unchained, Beastiary 1-4.

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This rule ensures that the source material is always on hand and players aren't catching me flat-footed with things from left field.

Basically every book that you don't have is easily available to view on Paizo's SRD and the D20 SRD. There should be nothing that catches you 'flat-footed' if your player asks you beforehand to look it up and give it a thumbs up or down. The rule should be "must meet GM approval beforehand", not "it better not be from a book that I haven't bought yet.".

Limiting everyone's access to something that you can look up for free at any time is kinda lame.

[Liz Courts]

Removed some posts and their responses. Please be civil to each other, and remember that tone is hard to gather from text.

[Aelryinth]

TriOmegaZero wrote:

Oh yeah, I should get on that levelup now.

TriOmegaZero+1?

==Aelryinth

[TriOmegaZero]

Nah, we just finished Reign of Winter Part 5. I have to pick a 7th level spell and it's really hard.

[Redbeard the Scruffy]

What class?

Limited wish is always a good one for sorc/wiz.

[TriOmegaZero]

Winter Oracle. :P

[Redbeard the Scruffy]

Uhh. That is a tough one.

[Redbeard the Scruffy]

Usually, Control Weather is far too situational for me to recommend for an Oracle, but I think it fits Reign of Winter. The rest of the cleric list for that level is a bit "meh".

[TriOmegaZero]

I'm thinking Signifer's Rally for the hilarity of marching up the bad guys and saying 'Say hello to my little friend' as the cavalier or brawler suddenly appears in full attack range.

[Aelryinth]

Oh, I was inferring that you are level Zero, and it's time for TriOmegaOne or TriOmegaZero+1..although the latter sounds like you just invited someone else to the party with you, come to think of it...Did you get a cohort, maybe? :)

==Aelryinth

[TOZ]

I'm my wife's cohort, does that count?

[Aelryinth]

Oh, so SHE is TOZ+1? Or TOZ's+1? Or The 1+TOZ?

You need to have her post to define this point.

==Aelryinth

[captain yesterday]

What about TriAlphaOne, or TAO. :-)

[QuadAlphaOne]

I think I made that joke a while back, by haven't had a chance to implement it. Someone has been a little surly lately.

[Quadstriker]

Aelryinth wrote:

Oh, so SHE is TOZ+1? Or TOZ's+1? Or The 1+TOZ?

You need to have her post to define this point.

==Aelryinth

I promise you that Mrs. TOZ confers much more than a +1 bonus.

[Aelryinth]

Since at the very least she's capable of providing or removing a TOZ bonus by House Rules, I would have to agree with you.

==Aelryinth