So I am getting ready for a "Spelljammer" campaign (I.E. Sailing ships in space; think "Treasure Planet"), and I am starting out as a level 1 human Ninja named Val Kiera, or "Valkyrie" for short, and she is the daughter of my first character. There is a good chance that she will end up becoming the captain of our ship in campaign, and in the event that that does happen, I am thinking of multi-classing her, but since I've always played a Summoner, I have never multi-classed before (it's usually a bad idea to do that with Summoners).
So what would be a good idea for a ninja multiclass? When should I change her class? What classes should I avoid, etc.
I have already made her a dual weapon fighter with two Wakizashi's, and thanks to her traits she's starting out with one masterwork Katana worth up to 900gp, and she also gets an additional 900gp in addition to her starting wealth. I rolled very good stats for her;
STR:17
DEX:20
CON:16
INT:17
WIS:16
CHA:18
So, Ideas anyone?
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Jeez, with those stats you can do anything & be anything you want...
Maybe Bard?
I don't know, I'm too mesmerized by those starting stats.
Jeez, with those stats you can do anything & be anything you want...
Maybe Bard?
I don't know, I'm too mesmerized by those starting stats.
What's funny is that I rolled twice: the first time they were just slightly lower, but my DM thought I cheated, so he had me re-roll with him watching. That was the result. Maniacal Laughter Ensues.
MySelf, to answer your question, Valkyrie is currently NG.
Crimeo, I want to multi-class because I haven't done it before, so Here I go!
That being said, I do want the Ninja part to be something of her core focus, but would like to avoid any spell casters for the time being, but even then, I'm open to ideas. I would like to see something that compliments her ninja skills though.
I do kind of like the swashbuckler idea, but I've never looked into the class that much before.
I do want to eventually get her the Half-Celestial template (Her father is Half-Celestial already).
What about Samurai?
You can make a pretty nasty Unarmed Non-Lethal Monk/Ninja, especially if you use a Seven-Branched Sword to make your opponents flat-footed. I think they nerfed Sap Master or Knockout Artist or one of the other Sneak Attack nonlethal feats recently but it is probably still solid
Samurai doesn't really do anything for you though.
Some variety of monk which replaces flurry of blows could work. drunken master + master of many styles might be appropriate for a sailor.
If she likes any deity in particular, the evangelist prestige class wouldn't hurt.
If you're into TWF already then you might aim for the difficult path of TWF'ing pistols. Pistolero gunslinger is the obvious next step.
I always liked the idea of an unarmed ninja. If you take 1-2 levels in snakebite striker brawler, you can keep up your sneak attack while becoming decent at unarmed combat. You might need a little rules exception from your GM once you get to level 8 (2 brawler, 6 ninja) to allow flurry of blows to work with improved two weapon fighting. Who needs weapons anyway?
Samurai is very static- it doesn't live or die by your stat rolls. Well, it'll die if you have horrendous stat rolls, but it doesn't get huge boosts from having huge stats. Cavalier is similar. Monk is much more stat-dependent. If you have a massive WIS as a monk, you'll be a significantly more effective monk than a WIS-poor one. Paladin gets boosts from having awesome CHA, but doesn't lose too much from an average CHA. Similar deal with Swashbuckler. Casters all love high casting stats, but you say casters are out of the equation.
Can I ask again: How much is locked in stone?
Also, minor thing, if you can, switch your INT and CON. CON damage is much more common than INT damage.
Basically, what I have already listed is locked in stone. Beyond that, it's fair game.
And casters are not out of the equation, I'd just prefer to look at non-casting options first.
Samurai doesn't really do anything for you though.
Some variety of monk which replaces flurry of blows could work. drunken master + master of many styles might be appropriate for a sailor.
If she likes any deity in particular, the evangelist prestige class wouldn't hurt.
If you're into TWF already then you might aim for the difficult path of TWF'ing pistols. Pistolero gunslinger is the obvious next step.
I have no idea what TWF is...
EDIT: OH! TWO-WEAPON FIGHTING! Got it.
I'm getting a lot of "monk/unarmed ninja" stuff; to be honest, I'm not sure that that would fit this characters style as much. (Granted, she WAS raised by Monks, Ninja's, and Samurai [which is why I was looking at Samurai]).
I think what I'm looking for is something that would fit her personality more than her stats. Of all of Ya'akov's kids, she's one of the most level headed, and also one of the most fearless. Yet she also tends to exemplify meekness (specifically, the kind that is defined as "great power in restraint"). She values her blades, but also her family, and will go to great lengths to protect them.
I don't know; anything come to mind with that that might fit with a Ninja?
That personality really sounds like a monk if you're going to multiclass, though not the drunken master I had suggested. Not unchained monk either, something with a good will save. Maneuver master wouldn't require you to go unarmed to gain direct benefits, and the advice a Sensei offers might fit your personality.
A couple of Brawler levels would give you martial flexibility, and the ability to use unarmed strikes with 1d6 damage. martial flexibility is extremely useful, and gets better every time a new combat feat gets released.
I play a Slayer in a Skulls & Shackles game with a couple of Brawler levels. They have certainly saved my character more than once when he's been without his weapons for whatever reason.
I also play a PFS ninja with levels in Magus and Paladin.. A sneaky spell-striking-smite can really hurt!
A couple of Brawler levels would give you martial flexibility, and the ability to use unarmed strikes with 1d6 damage. martial flexibility is extremely useful, and gets better every time a new combat feat gets released.
I play a Slayer in a Skulls & Shackles game with a couple of Brawler levels. They have certainly saved my character more than once when he's been without his weapons for whatever reason.
I also play a PFS ninja with levels in Magus and Paladin.. A sneaky spell-striking-smite can really hurt!
Ohhh, I kind of like this idea. And if I am successful in getting her the Half-Celestial template, then I could forgo the Paladin levels (since H/C's get the smite ability anyway).
Thinking from a roleplay perspective - why not make the ninja aspect a kind of secret identity, and have the other aspect the more public side of the ninja? ie during the day no one knows it's the ninja character. (I believe ninjas historically were masters of disguise and spent most of their time concealed under another identity.)
From that perspective, pretty much anything could work. Some kind of personable class..?
Since you have a ki pool, you can multiclass magus and go the unlimited spells route: take ki - arcana so you can use your ki as arcane pool points, then take spell blending: ki leech and you've got the ability to crit / kill people for ki which you then spend on spell recall to recharge your spells. It requires 7 levels of Magus to do, but for what it is, waiting until level 9 isn't so bad.
The ki leech spell has the [Evil] tag, so a NG character might not be able to use it.
Multiclass:
2/4/10 levels of ninja are the best breakpoints. This gets ki pool/uncanny dodge/master tricks.
The PcC Horizon Walker could also be nice.
Going any caster opens up UMD for wands, even with a 1 level dip.
If you do 10 Ninja, then any caster will only be support casting, not main casting. You will still be mostly melee. Some casters are better at this. Check out Warpriest, Inquisitor, and Shaman. They have lots of self-buffs, which will help combat, but are not rule-the-world types like some other casters.
You have good stats for a secondary caster focus. Int helps on skills, Cha on ki points, and Wis on saves. However, that same number at 11th level is low for a caster, hurting the DC you inflict upon enemies. This means you will cast things to help you and your party, and not to hinder your enemy.
For play style, a spontaneous caster is easier to make decisions for, at once per level, then you have a limited set of spells to choose from. Prepared caster means decisions every day, but you can tailor to an enemy you know you are about to encounter. Open slots also help if you have 15 minutes to spare.
I am doing a ninja/witch, but I have that tied into my backstory. I have also thought about the swashbuckler with the panache goodies.
/cevah