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The general rule in PFS is that when a rule lists "usually" or "for example", those are the only options available. Without a listing for a club made of metal, I have to assume it can't be done *in PFS*.
I would also disagree that adding cold iron nails to a club would be sufficient to overcome DR.
I'd actually disagree with this. By this logic, cold iron or adamantine shield spikes would not overcome DR on a shield bash, but I've always seen it ruled that they do.
Also, if blanching a weapon blanch (effectively "plating" it with the metal) is sufficient to overcome DR, it seems like nails/studs should be also.
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I personally have a big problem with "typically wooden hafted" weapons with metal heads that you can spend the same amount of money to have made out of adamantine as a completely metal greatsword, yet you are stuck with a very fragile haft. Personally I think that if were making my super weapon of BBEG smiting, and already paying the same fee, that I would have the entire thing made of metal.
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Of course, it would seem that some believe that there must be, and without a listed difference, you can't buy it.
I have yet to see anyone actually say this for items that have the option listed.
Mischaracterizing peoples points is not acceptable. There is a vast difference between a weapon that specifically says comes either way and the -it doesn't specifically say i can't so i can- argument.
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It's a hyperbole.
Look, basically, for some, usually is always, and a wood baseball bat and an aluminum baseball bat would have completely different stats in Pathfinder.
From Ezren's Cane, to the Crowbar, Cernunnos' Club, and on, there are examples of metal Clubs.
I am not seeing the problem here.
No one is getting anything for free.
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Clubs can be made of metal.In real life, sure.
In Pathfinder, not that I'm aware of.
Three VCs told me otherwise. I have a Silver Club, and no one has told me it was illegal.
Basically, a Fish Bat, Tire Thumper, Straightstick, Truncheon, Lead Pipe, or Baton.
I actually carry a fish bat around with me.
When someone asks what a metal club looks like, I show them.
Look at the description:
This weapon is usually just a shaped piece of wood, sometimes with a few nails or studs embedded in it.
Usually, does not equal always.
Hell, there is a creature in the Bestiary 4, that wields a +5 holy cold iron club.
So, some clubs are wood, but for me, my clubs are metal.
So what do you pay for your metal clubs?
I don't recall there being any language that indicates how to price a club that is made of metal.
So in PFS, you cannot make metal clubs.
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Playing Devil's Advocate here, the description does state that a club can have nails or studs embedded in it. While clubs are "usually" made of wood, nails and studs are "usually" made of metal.
So, couldn't those exterior metal bits be made of cold iron, and thus usable for overcoming DR?
Sure they could. But at what price? Certainly you don't suggest Mithril or Adamantine would be free?
In a home game, I could come up with something reasonable.
In PFS, that's left to the campaign staff. As such, they haven't ruled you could do this, so you can't.
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Why do I have ignore the meaning of "usually" to suite some random person who says that a word means something else entirely?
The game rules are rife with ambiguous words like, "usually" or "at the GM's discretion."
PFS has made it precedent (see the list of animals that a Cavalier can use as a mount) that those terms are essentially ignored unless otherwise defined.
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Clubs, cost from different materials:
Adamantine: 3000 gp (masterwork cost included)
Alchemical silver: 90 gp
Blood Crystal: 1500 gp
Cold Iron: ??, the only lead we have is that quarterstaves cannot be made from cold iron as that's specifically mentioned.
Darkwood: 330 gp (masterwork cost included)
Elysian Bronze: 1000 gp
Fire-forged Steel: 600 gp (masterwork cost included)
Frost-forged Steel: 600 gp (masterwork cost included)
Greenwood: 450 gp (masterwork cost included)
Mithral: 1500 gp (masterwork cost included)
Silversheen: 750 gp (masterwork cost included)
Viridium: 200 gp
Whipwood: 500 gp
Bone: half price, so free?
Bronze: same price as steel weapons
Gold: 10 times the normal price, so essentially a club would be free but weigh 4,5 lbs. I'm guessing that the gold price is going to crash? =P
Obsidian: only piercing or slashing weapons, so no clubs.
Stone: quarter of base price, so free.
So the issue is only present for cold iron and all the so called primitive materials (not sure why gold is among them).
The general rule in PFS is that when a rule lists "usually" or "for example", those are the only options available. Without a listing for a club made of metal, I have to assume it can't be done *in PFS*.
I would also disagree that adding cold iron nails to a club would be sufficient to overcome DR.
I'd actually disagree with this. By this logic, cold iron or adamantine shield spikes would not overcome DR on a shield bash, but I've always seen it ruled that they do.
Also, if blanching a weapon blanch (effectively "plating" it with the metal) is sufficient to overcome DR, it seems like nails/studs should be also.
But if the nails are the things that are really doing the damage, it should be piercing damage. Likewise for studs.
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I thought of a way to price a Cold Iron Club.
In Ultimate Equipment, under Trade Goods, they list Cold Iron as 50gp per pound. A Club is 3lbs.
So, a Cold Iron Club 150gp.
That's all I can come up with for now.
In a home game a GM could use that math, but unfortunately weapon and armor pricing do not go off trade good prices. Which means it wouldn't be a viable option at a PFS table.
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And that's reasonable. However, PFS doesn't have rules that allow this, so you can't do it in PFS. In a home game, I'd certainly find a way to allow it. But as the GM in a home game, I'm the final word.
Anything like this, where any GM could say no because of the lack of a rule telling you how to determine the price, can't be allowed unless the campaign staff specifically tell us how to allow it.
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Clubs, cost from different materials:
Adamantine: 3000 gp (masterwork cost included)
Alchemical silver: 90 gp
Blood Crystal: 1500 gp
Cold Iron: ??, the only lead we have is that quarterstaves cannot be made from cold iron as that's specifically mentioned.
Darkwood: 330 gp (masterwork cost included)
Elysian Bronze: 1000 gp
Fire-forged Steel: 600 gp (masterwork cost included)
Frost-forged Steel: 600 gp (masterwork cost included)
Greenwood: 450 gp (masterwork cost included)
Mithral: 1500 gp (masterwork cost included)
Silversheen: 750 gp (masterwork cost included)
Viridium: 200 gp
Whipwood: 500 gp
Bone: half price, so free?
Bronze: same price as steel weapons
Gold: 10 times the normal price, so essentially a club would be free but weigh 4,5 lbs. I'm guessing that the gold price is going to crash? =P
Obsidian: only piercing or slashing weapons, so no clubs.
Stone: quarter of base price, so free.So the issue is only present for cold iron and all the so called primitive materials (not sure why gold is among them).
This assumes a standard metal club is also free. Because we don't know what a standard metal club costs, all these prices don't matter because an adamantine short sword is 3010 gold. So a metal club needs to have some cost, which is currently undefined.
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Well, whilst I agree that it could be seen as a different way, I certainly don't believe it is so cut and dry.
Perhaps I am a bit too passionate in my thoughts about this, but it is sort of personal to me, so I may have gone a bit overboard.
I apologize.
BBT, the issue is that the campaign GMs, being John Compton and TBD at this point in time, have not determined or published to the players a cost for a metal club.
For a home game, not part of PFS, it is up to the GM what it would cost for a metal club. A metal club, as it is not just a heavy stick picked up off the ground, will have a non-zero price. Wooden clubs are free, in a campaign where trees are common and abundant, but I could see a campaign or two where even a wooden club is not free, as trees would be scarce.
PFS:
Paladins have limited choices as to mount.
Rangers have limited choice as to animal companion.
PCs have limited choice (relatively) as to magic items.
PCs have limited access to the crafting rules for alchemy and/or poison.
Items which have "usually" or "normally" in their descriptions will, unless the PFS PTB have issued information on it, only be available in that "usual" or "normal" configuration.
Example: There is a magical ring that can give the wearer the ability to speak and understand four additional languages. The actual ring description in the rulebooks lists only a limited number of versions of the ring (only one or two sets of languages). In PFS, at this time, those rings can only be purchased with one of the predefined sets of languages.