
Myfly |

Soon the most awesome dice set on Earth - and possibly in the Universe - are produced. Countdown already started ...
Go to BIG SURPRISE.
What do you think?
We got several gamers playing PACG with more than 8 dice sets - will you substitute your old dice with this new best of universe ones?
Just imagine rolling always the result you want?
Brainwave controlled dice =)))
Question for poll below:
Am I interested in buying the most awesome dice set on Earth?
(Please hit your favorite answer + symbol!)
(Explanation why you hit Yes/No, plz in post below)

Parody |

Oh, that's what this was all about? Well:
- I don't like the look.
- I'm assuming the price is going to be similar to their other metal dice sets, so around $50 for a set of 7. That's more than I want to spend.
- Metal dice tend to wreck things.
None for me, thanks. If you're into that sort of thing, though, I hope you like the results!

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First, the announcement of this was a while ago. Not sure why you created a new thread for old news. Maybe just reawakening the old.
As for experience with metal dice. Almost a decade ago, I bought some metal dice at GenCon. They were expensive (also, Q-Workshop sells other sets for $50). I threw them into my dice bag. As I've stated before, I'm an RPGer first. My dice are important. I have far more than a pound of dice. Probably more than two pounds. Multiple sets, not just random. The metal dice roll loud and don't roll as well as their plastic cousins. d4s rolled atrociously. d20s rolled best. After a short while, I rarely used the metal ones as I wanted more roll and less noise. But I also noticed than some of my older, softer plastic dice were getting chewed up. Some of my white dice were getting marked up.
I pulled the metal set. (btw, this is one of the only sets I didn't get multiple die types! because of expense) They sit in a velvet bag with the rest of my unused dice. Haven't pulled them out in years.
Also should be noted for home users that if you play at a dining room table with a nice finish, you probably don't want to roll these dice on it. Metal dice are not that gentle on table surfaces.
Also, the cost of metal sets is counterproductive to people that like to play with multiple sets. And they're heavier than plastic. Multiple sets would cost 6-7 times the cost of my plastic ones. Usually you can't order individual dice if you want more of one than another. Can you imagine adding that cost and weight to your PACG set?
So for your rambling about the best dice set in the universe, until you've owned a metal dice set, you're blowing smoke out of …

Karloch |

Also should be noted for home users that if you play at a dining room table with a nice finish, you probably don't want to roll these dice on it. Metal dice are not that gentle on table surfaces.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
I'm not planning to buy any metal dices for exactly the same reasons you mentioned. Let's hope there will be a non-metallic alternative.

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Theryon Stormrune wrote:Also should be noted for home users that if you play at a dining room table with a nice finish, you probably don't want to roll these dice on it. Metal dice are not that gentle on table surfaces.Thanks for sharing your experience.
I'm not planning to buy any metal dices for exactly the same reasons you mentioned. Let's hope there will be a non-metallic alternative.
Okay, kind of a funny story …
At the same GenCon, a couple of us bought the metal dice sets. They looked cool and felt prestigious. Got home. The following Monday night was D&D. We broke out our new metal dice. One of the guys played by phone (prior to Skype!) and was at his dining room table. On one of his turns, he rolls for damage. "SH*T!" "What's wrong?" "I just scratched my dining room table!"
The end of the metal dice era.

Myfly |

I actually do like the look of these
But I am on a self imposed Kickstarter ban :/
Send me all your money you got and
I will deal with the devil so you gotThe most out of it...
Greek religion tells us
When you "die", you have to get a metal "die"
In your mouth to pay the boatman crossing
The river Styx.
So what do we learn here?
Get your metal dice before it is too late =)))
How about a chocolate coating for the taste?

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So what do we learn here?
Get your metal dice before it is too late =)))
We've learned that if people answer your questions in a manner you don't like, you ignore them and keep promoting your own ideas.
We've learned that you don't separate the idea that Paizo licenses almost all of their accessories and doesn't always have complete control over what is produced.

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Myfly |

Myfly wrote:So what do we learn here?
Get your metal dice before it is too late =)))We've learned that if people answer your questions in a manner you don't like, you ignore them and keep promoting your own ideas.
The best example here is the PREMIUM Plunder Die.
And what did I learn?
Most people are against innovation as they like to do things as they always do.
So put the potato chips aside and get up from your sofa =))) and enjoy new things in your life

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A friend I used to game with has a metal d20 the size of a golf ball. That thing leaves dents in the table, not scratches. We had to start making him roll on his own books.
For the card game, I think if you rolled on a game mat you'd be okay. Just be careful not to drop it on cards, they would probably dent.

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I understand that certain posters can irritate folks. However, if you have a problem with someone and feel the need to address it, please take it over PM.
Posting attacking replies is no less frustrating to read through than Myfly's posts. You can choose to ignore them. But responding to someone in a personal, antagonistic way publicly only hurts the community. It gives an air of hostility and can drive others away. It also doesn't reflect well of our leadership to see our own Venture-Officers engaging publicly in that manner.
Either address personal needs privately, or just ignore them and move on, please.

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Actually, I was trying to point out that the ideas that move ahead are the ones that show compromise and like the plunder die, was a collaborative effort. It was an example where Myfly came up with an idea and allowed the community to weigh in and changed the original concept into something that worked.
But in this case, he brought up the metal dice. He asked what it's like to own some and I explained (in detail) that metal dice are nice to look at but the actual use and storage of them is difficult. Plus they're expensive and not everyone has the budget to buy them. So instead of taking that advice, he pushes forward with his "Get your metal dice before it is too late =)))".
And right before that he asks what we have learned. My response was not personal but what he typically does. I am hoping that some time in the future he understands that these boards are a conversation and that people have differing opinions than his. And just because they are his, doesn't mean that everyone is going to like them. If this was a set of plastic or high-impact acrylic specialty dice, I'd be looking at them.
If he learned that he doesn't need to put up threads to push other threads, it would be appreciated. If he learned that Paizo doesn't completely control the accessories made and that licensing is part of the business, it would be appreciated. Sure, we can ask for things to be made but we don't tell Paizo how to run their business based on accessories and promo cards. We hear the same thing over and over.
This was not a personal attack on Myfly but some advice that can be taken or not.
EDIT: When things got personal (in the past), I have taken it to PMs.

Hawkmoon269 |

I don't think anyone is saying metal dice are bad (at least, not objectively), just that you have to be aware of what you are getting. Many people seem to like them. As long as you roll them on a surface that can stand up to their more "punishing" attributes, or on a surface that you don't care about being marked up, they seem to work well and are of a style many people find attractive. They obviously sell well enough that companies are willing to continue to make them. Preferences will vary from person to person, but lots of people seem to like metal dice and therefore purchase them.
As to why Paizo gives q workshop a license, I'm sure because they think it is mutually beneficial to do so and gives their community of players a product (or products) they want to purchase. Again, forget the concept that metal dice are bad. It seems that many Pathfinder players (or players of games that involve polyhedral dice in general) like the designs made through Q-Workshop's license with Paizo since they have continued to make them. I think the same is probably generally true of why Paizo gives a license to Big Finish, or WizKids, or any other licensed product.

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In case metal dice are so bad... Why do they promote it?
Why does Paizo give q workshop a license?
Exactly what ThreeEyedSloth was saying ... I'm not saying metal dice are bad. But if I would collect a set of the new dice, it would be just one set of them. They would not be replacing my "play" dice for all the reasons stated. Crystal Caste makes a special GenCon dice set for each GenCon as a collector's item. I have a couple of them and don't use them. They stay in their tins.
I'm warning people that might consider replacing their dice with metal, it will be expensive and heavy and a lot of wear-n-tear on furniture. And, usually, they sell metal dice in sets not as individual dice.
EDIT: They (Paizo) has a working relationship with Q-Workshop for years for the plastic dice.

Parody |

In case metal dice are so bad... Why do they promote it?
As others have said: just because some of us don't like them doesn't mean everyone doesn't like them. I have a friend who loves metal dice, but he doesn't always use them and he's careful with them when he does.
Why does Paizo give q workshop a license?
Money. (Not the only concern, but the realistic reason for licensing anything.)

hfm |
A friend I used to game with has a metal d20 the size of a golf ball. That thing leaves dents in the table, not scratches. We had to start making him roll on his own books.
For the card game, I think if you rolled on a game mat you'd be okay. Just be careful not to drop it on cards, they would probably dent.
There is no way I would let anyone near my table with metal dice.

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So I learnt, metal dice is more a collector thing than a gamers choice. Thanks.
I think for a lot of people it is. Same with Artisan Dice.

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Myfly wrote:So I learnt, metal dice is more a collector thing than a gamers choice. Thanks.I think for a lot of people it is. Same with Artisan Dice.
Anyone who uses Artisan dice is either insane, or rich. If I spend that much money on dice, you can bet it'll be for the appreciation of quality, and not because I want cool dice to roll.

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I'd agree with you about the rare materials like mammoth ivory and some of the rare woods. But the aircraft windshield plastic is highly resistant to damage. Just expensive. (They rolled well.)
btw, Artisan and Wyrmwood have some ties business-wise. Artisan Dice was on the opposite side of the Wyrmwood booth (they shared the backs of their booths) and Artisan was using Wyrmwood's towers, dice trays and dice vaults. It did show off the dice very nicely.
Still couldn't afford them ... :-(

Parody |

Anyone who uses Artisan dice is either insane, or rich. If I spend that much money on dice, you can bet it'll be for the appreciation of quality, and not because I want cool dice to roll.
The ones I have were cheaper than metal dice, and people use those. (I was part of a Kickstarter a few years ago.) There's a big difference between basic wooden dice and mammoth ivory.

Keith Richmond Pathfinder ACG Developer |

Based on this note on Artisan Dice's website, I'd feel fine using them:
"Do you stand behind your product?
You bet we do. While we do not offer refunds, we guarantee every dice we make for as long as they exist. Not as long as you own them, but as long as they exist. Should your dice become damaged while rolling them, simply contact us and we will repair or replace your dice at no charge to you. Please note that you will be responsible for shipping your dice back to us. We will pay to ship them back to you when they are finished."
I'll admit, I have some decorative stuff in my house, but dice you don't roll feels like some strange sort of blasphemy.

Diego Valdez Customer Service Representative |
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I bought some of the full size Dwarven Stones Blue Jasper set at Gen Con last year. They were pretty pricey and I have been terrified to actually roll them because I am worried they will flake, or chip. So yeah while I love them, they're beautiful, they have become show dice for me.

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I bought some of the full size Dwarven Stones Blue Jasper set at Gen Con last year. They were pretty pricey and I have been terrified to actually roll them because I am worried they will flake, or chip. So yeah while I love them, they're beautiful, they have become show dice for me.
Are you saying they're "Precious"?

Myfly |

Help! I was just struck by a pre-Kickstarter survey email from Q-Workshop.
In this email, they added a photo of the real metal pathfinder dice...
Well, could you see any difference between
1) survey email, the real dice
https://boardgamegeek.com/image/2641319/myfly
2) webpage, rendered image?
http://ks.q-workshop.com
Wow, dont they look ugly when you initially saw their rendered image?
PS: When Vic came up with the first rendered images from the Iconic heroes miniatures, these were as great as the final product (side information: only drawback - my valeros has some circular hair loss like a monk in his black hair... Some paint is missing there... Besides that .... Amazing production!!!)