Ok so I wanted to make a Enlightened Paladin, since they made the Divine Protection feat USELESS.
So can I take the Two Weapon Fighting, Improved Two Weapon fighting etc and use them just fine with this class/archetype?
Do they GET flurry of blows or does the Ki ability just add an extra attack?
They don't get flurry of blows. You can take the TWF feats and use them fine. The ki ability does add an extra attack.
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Imho, go with a 14 STR 15 DEX 14 CON 10 INT 8 WIS 14 CHA, then get the Dual Talent alternate racial trait for Human to get +2 to STR and DEX. Put your level 4th pip into DEX to get it to 18, then go full Strength. Don't even bother with Greater TWF, it's trash.
They don't get flurry of blows. You can take the TWF feats and use them fine. The ki ability does add an extra attack.
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The ki ability does add an extra attack.
Only on Flurry of Blows, and Enlightened Paladin doesn't have Flurry of Blows, so unless he multiclasses he can't get an extra attack by spending ki.
James that is a good question though,
Can the Iroran Paladin make an extra attack through spending KI points?
I don't think they can for one of 2 reasons.
1. Their Ki pool ability doesn't outright give them the ability.
2. It says it functions as the monks Ki pool but the Monks ki pool only allows the extra attack on a flurry, which the paladin can't do.
So either way their is no extra attack.
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Flurry of Blows which they don’t have has nothing to do with Extra Attack ki pool ability which they do have.
Can you show me where they have an Extra Attack ki pool ability? Talonhawke has the right of it. Monks only get the extra attack on a flurry. They either need a level of Monk or enough Ninja levels to get a Ninja ki pool before they can add an attack.
Unless @Kageshira is saying they don’t have Extra Attack ki ability.
I'm saying that outright. They get a monk's ki pool, which means that they can spend a ki point *during a flurry of blows* to get an extra attack. They could also use it to get a burst of speed or to get a dodge bonus to AC.
Also there is nothing called Enlightened Paladin, it is called the Iroran Paladin.
Paizo has chosen to release their material in OGL. That means that, aside from Proper Nouns, generally speaking their material is freely available. That means some people learn it through d20pfsrd. Let's not bicker about semantics. We all knew what OP meant.
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The relevant rules for convenience:
Ki Pool (Su)
At 4th level, a monk gains a pool of ki points, supernatural energy he can use to accomplish amazing feats. The number of points in a monk’s ki pool is equal to 1/2 his monk level + his Wisdom modifier. As long as he has at least 1 point in his ki pool, he can make a ki strike.
At 4th level, ki strike allows his unarmed attacks to be treated as magic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
At 7th level, his unarmed attacks are also treated as cold iron and silver for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
At 10th level, his unarmed attacks are also treated as lawful weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
At 16th level, his unarmed attacks are treated as adamantine weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction and bypassing hardness.
By spending 1 point from his ki pool, a monk can do one of the following:
Make one additional attack at his highest attack bonus when making a flurry of blows attack, or
Increase his speed by 20 feet for 1 round, or
Give himself a +4 dodge bonus to AC for 1 round.
Each of these powers is activated as a swift action.
The ki pool is replenished each morning after 8 hours of rest or meditation; these hours do not need to be consecutive.
Ki Pool (Su)
At 4th level, an enlightened paladin gains a ki pool with an effective monk level equal to his class level. The number of points in an Enlightened paladin's ki pool is equal to 1/2 his class level + his Charisma modifier. By spending 1 point from his ki pool, he can ignore any damage reduction possessed by the target of his personal trial ability for 1 round. This ability otherwise functions as the monk ability of the same name and replaces channel positive energy.
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Apparently I needed to re-read Extra Attack which references Flurry.
Here is another problem, just because they have Flurry with Monk levels doesn’t mean they can use their Iroran Paladin pool to Extra Attack. Classes are written from single class point of view. Just like magus can’t use non magic spell slots casting spells that also appear on the magus spell list in spell combat and Cleric 1/Wizard 19 can’t swap out wizard spells for cures, the Iroran Paladin can’t expend ki points to Extra Attack when using their Monk levels Flurry.
Apparently I needed to re-read Extra Attack which references Flurry.
Here is another problem, just because they have Flurry with Monk levels doesn’t mean they can use their Iroran Paladin pool to Extra Attack. Classes are written from single class point of view. Just like magus can’t use non magic spell slots casting spells that also appear on the magus spell list in spell combat and Cleric 1/Wizard 19 can’t swap out wizard spells for cures, the Iroran Paladin can’t expend ki points to Extra Attack when using their Monk levels Flurry.
Iroran Paladin explicity mentions that it's ki works like that of a monk thought.
And taking into account that officially Ninja ki and Monk ki stack for uses and abilities, I don't see why can't Iroran Paladin ki and Monk ki stack