Tyrese Gibson in talks for new Green Lantern.


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And they could have gotten Idris Elba.

I don't think that Tyrese can pull off John Stewart. Doesn't have the acting chops.


I think Ryan Reynolds would even make a better Hal Jordan than Tyrese would make a John Stewart.

I would also agree Ildris Elba would match the part waaaaaay more.


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Ildris elba improves everything though...


While I suppose anything is possible, everything points to this guy campaigning for it. John Stewart, this guy isn't. If he thinks he's the big draw for the F&F movies, he's delusional.

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I've read that he has said that he would rather win a Grammy than an Oscar.

I'm not sure he has to worry about winning either. :P


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He ain't Stewart.

But after that last...uh..green lantern...whatever it was, if that schmoe can be jordan, why can't this guy have a chance to f!## up a movie?

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Freehold DM wrote:

He ain't Stewart.

But after that last...uh..green lantern...whatever it was, if that schmoe can be jordan, why can't this guy have a chance to f!%& up a movie?

Because John Stewart is the cool Green Lantern?


BPorter wrote:
While I suppose anything is possible, everything points to this guy campaigning for it. John Stewart, this guy isn't. If he thinks he's the big draw for the F&F movies, he's delusional.

He would be indeed very delusional, since Tyrese isn't even in Fantastic Four.

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Hah..too much time spent on comic book movie related threads here!


Kthulhu wrote:

I've read that he has said that he would rather win a Grammy than an Oscar.

I'm not sure he has to worry about winning either. :P

Well being that he started out as a singer and has already been Grammy nominated I'd say his chances of winning that Grammy one day is actually pretty good. He has pipes and can definitely more than carry a tune.


Hama wrote:

And they could have gotten Idris Elba.

I don't think that Tyrese can pull off John Stewart. Doesn't have the acting chops.

Granted, Tyrese doesn't have the resume but then again super hero movies are not Shakespeare (maybe with the exception of the THOR movies...).

As for not having the acting chops? See John Singleton's BABY BOY (2011) and ANNAPOLIS (2006) where he plays a Naval Officer who clashes with James Franco's trainee character.

Does he have what it take to play a hard nosed military type? Absolutely. Hell I think his character in the movie was Marine before he came to Annapolis. I might be misremembering thought so dont quote me on that one.

Honestly i'm fine with Tyrese as that would bring some name recognition to the movie. While Idris Elba is well known, MILLIONS of people know who Tyrese is because of the Fast and Furious movies.

My pic though would probably be THIS d00d: NATE PARKER

While he hasnt been in anything of note, he has the presence and the acting chops (particualrly in BEYOND THE LIGHTS and RED TAILS).


ShinHakkaider wrote:
Hama wrote:

And they could have gotten Idris Elba.

I don't think that Tyrese can pull off John Stewart. Doesn't have the acting chops.

Granted, Tyrese doesn't have the resume but then again super hero movies are not Shakespeare (maybe with the exception of the THOR movies...).

As for not having the acting chops? See John Singleton's BABY BOY (2011) and ANNAPOLIS (2006) where he plays a Naval Officer who clashes with James Franco's trainee character.

Does he have what it take to play a hard nosed military type? Absolutely. Hell I think his character in the movie was Marine before he came to Annapolis. I might be misremembering thought so dont quote me on that one.

Honestly i'm fine with Tyrese as that would bring some name recognition to the movie. While Idris Elba is well known, MILLIONS of people know who Tyrese is because of the Fast and Furious movies.

My pic though would probably be THIS d00d: NATE PARKER

While he hasnt been in anything of note, he has the presence and the acting chops (particualrly in BEYOND THE LIGHTS and RED TAILS).

red tails is one of my favorite movies.

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ShinHakkaider wrote:
Hama wrote:

And they could have gotten Idris Elba.

I don't think that Tyrese can pull off John Stewart. Doesn't have the acting chops.

Granted, Tyrese doesn't have the resume but then again super hero movies are not Shakespeare (maybe with the exception of the THOR movies...).

As for not having the acting chops? See John Singleton's BABY BOY (2011) and ANNAPOLIS (2006) where he plays a Naval Officer who clashes with James Franco's trainee character.

Does he have what it take to play a hard nosed military type? Absolutely. Hell I think his character in the movie was Marine before he came to Annapolis. I might be misremembering thought so dont quote me on that one.

Honestly i'm fine with Tyrese as that would bring some name recognition to the movie. While Idris Elba is well known, MILLIONS of people know who Tyrese is because of the Fast and Furious movies.

My pic though would probably be THIS d00d: NATE PARKER

While he hasnt been in anything of note, he has the presence and the acting chops (particualrly in BEYOND THE LIGHTS and RED TAILS).

Seen those. Wasn't impressed at all.


Hama wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:
Hama wrote:

And they could have gotten Idris Elba.

I don't think that Tyrese can pull off John Stewart. Doesn't have the acting chops.

Granted, Tyrese doesn't have the resume but then again super hero movies are not Shakespeare (maybe with the exception of the THOR movies...).

As for not having the acting chops? See John Singleton's BABY BOY (2011) and ANNAPOLIS (2006) where he plays a Naval Officer who clashes with James Franco's trainee character.

Does he have what it take to play a hard nosed military type? Absolutely. Hell I think his character in the movie was Marine before he came to Annapolis. I might be misremembering thought so dont quote me on that one.

Honestly i'm fine with Tyrese as that would bring some name recognition to the movie. While Idris Elba is well known, MILLIONS of people know who Tyrese is because of the Fast and Furious movies.

My pic though would probably be THIS d00d: NATE PARKER

While he hasnt been in anything of note, he has the presence and the acting chops (particualrly in BEYOND THE LIGHTS and RED TAILS).

Seen those. Wasn't impressed at all.

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Freehold DM wrote:
But after that last...uh..green lantern...whatever it was, if that schmoe can be jordan, why can't this guy have a chance to f%## up a movie?

I really liked Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan. What I didn't like was that the directing, storyline, pacing, script, and cinematography all sucked moose dick.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
But after that last...uh..green lantern...whatever it was, if that schmoe can be jordan, why can't this guy have a chance to f%## up a movie?
I really liked Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan. What I didn't like was that the directing, storyline, pacing, script, and cinematography all sucked moose dick.

Yeah. His acting (and everyone else's) was fine. It was the rest of the movie that sucked.

As for this guy, I haven't seen a single one of his movies so I can't really say one way or the other if he would be any good.

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I dunno, I still think Reynolds the wrong person to play Hal Jordan. I'm not sure I know who the right person is, but I loved Reynolds as Wade Wilson, and didn't care about him as Hal.

I'm still amazed at how badly Green Lantern failed. I mean, if you asked me before I saw it how it would be possible to make a movie about space cops boring, I'd be hard pressed to answer. They gave me that answer in 2+ hours.

That said, I loved that they set up Sinestro as the big bad for the sequel that will never come, and even made sure to make him a southpaw! I also loved the fact that Carol wasn't even fooled for a minute that Hal is the Lantern, calling into question the whole reason for a secret identity. Still...any scene where Hal and Hector are on screen at the same time is poorly paced, and there aren't enough facepalms in the galaxy to apply to the phrase "hard light Hot Wheels track."


Misroi wrote:
I loved Reynolds as Wade Wilson, and didn't care about him as Hal.

He played an NFL quarterback turned coach? I missed that one.


Misroi wrote:

I dunno, I still think Reynolds the wrong person to play Hal Jordan. I'm not sure I know who the right person is, but I loved Reynolds as Wade Wilson, and didn't care about him as Hal.

I'm still amazed at how badly Green Lantern failed. I mean, if you asked me before I saw it how it would be possible to make a movie about space cops boring, I'd be hard pressed to answer. They gave me that answer in 2+ hours.

That said, I loved that they set up Sinestro as the big bad for the sequel that will never come, and even made sure to make him a southpaw! I also loved the fact that Carol wasn't even fooled for a minute that Hal is the Lantern, calling into question the whole reason for a secret identity. Still...any scene where Hal and Hector are on screen at the same time is poorly paced, and there aren't enough facepalms in the galaxy to apply to the phrase "hard light Hot Wheels track."

All the important stuff was spoon-fed to the audience via exposition.


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Freehold DM wrote:
But after that last...uh..green lantern...whatever it was, if that schmoe can be jordan, why can't this guy have a chance to f%## up a movie?
I really liked Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan. What I didn't like was that the directing, storyline, pacing, script, and cinematography all sucked moose dick.

We can't be in the same movie theatre.


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Caineach wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
But after that last...uh..green lantern...whatever it was, if that schmoe can be jordan, why can't this guy have a chance to f%## up a movie?
I really liked Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan. What I didn't like was that the directing, storyline, pacing, script, and cinematography all sucked moose dick.

Yeah. His acting (and everyone else's) was fine. It was the rest of the movie that sucked.

As for this guy, I haven't seen a single one of his movies so I can't really say one way or the other if he would be any good.

no, it really, really wasn't. It was an awful movie. It exists solely to be an example of how not to make a green lantern movie.


Freehold DM wrote:
Caineach wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
But after that last...uh..green lantern...whatever it was, if that schmoe can be jordan, why can't this guy have a chance to f%## up a movie?
I really liked Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan. What I didn't like was that the directing, storyline, pacing, script, and cinematography all sucked moose dick.

Yeah. His acting (and everyone else's) was fine. It was the rest of the movie that sucked.

As for this guy, I haven't seen a single one of his movies so I can't really say one way or the other if he would be any good.

no, it really, really wasn't. It was an awful movie. It exists solely to be an example of how not to make a green lantern movie.

Yeah I really try not to bash things or even talk about things that I dont like or care for but I had a really hard time understanding how they made a movie that bad.

I mean I'm not even a Hal Jordan fan (Kyle Rayner was my Green Lantern. Just like Wally West was my Flash not Barry Allen) but the trailers got me excited and interested and hopeful. Hopes that were eventually dashed on the rocks of mediocrity and boredom...


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ShinHakkaider wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Caineach wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
But after that last...uh..green lantern...whatever it was, if that schmoe can be jordan, why can't this guy have a chance to f%## up a movie?
I really liked Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan. What I didn't like was that the directing, storyline, pacing, script, and cinematography all sucked moose dick.

Yeah. His acting (and everyone else's) was fine. It was the rest of the movie that sucked.

As for this guy, I haven't seen a single one of his movies so I can't really say one way or the other if he would be any good.

no, it really, really wasn't. It was an awful movie. It exists solely to be an example of how not to make a green lantern movie.

Yeah I really try not to bash things or even talk about things that I dont like or care for but I had a really hard time understanding how they made a movie that bad.

I mean I'm not even a Hal Jordan fan (Kyle Rayner was my Green Lantern. Just like Wally West was my Flash not Barry Allen) but the trailers got me excited and interested and hopeful. Hopes that were eventually dashed on the rocks of mediocrity and boredom...

The plot was so paint-by-numbers that it was insulting, the script didn't just overuse exposition, it relied on it extensively, in fact, almost exclusively. They tried to cram in too much into one film, and all three of those problems fed into each other in a quantum loop of suckage. The acting ability (or non-ability) was really a moot point after that, I don't think anyone's acting could have saved the film.


So I suppose I'm one of the few that actually enjoyed the Green Lantern movie?

I also enjoyed the Green Lantern animated show which I think was by Bruce Timm.


ShinHakkaider wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Caineach wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
But after that last...uh..green lantern...whatever it was, if that schmoe can be jordan, why can't this guy have a chance to f%## up a movie?
I really liked Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan. What I didn't like was that the directing, storyline, pacing, script, and cinematography all sucked moose dick.

Yeah. His acting (and everyone else's) was fine. It was the rest of the movie that sucked.

As for this guy, I haven't seen a single one of his movies so I can't really say one way or the other if he would be any good.

no, it really, really wasn't. It was an awful movie. It exists solely to be an example of how not to make a green lantern movie.

Yeah I really try not to bash things or even talk about things that I dont like or care for but I had a really hard time understanding how they made a movie that bad.

I mean I'm not even a Hal Jordan fan (Kyle Rayner was my Green Lantern. Just like Wally West was my Flash not Barry Allen) but the trailers got me excited and interested and hopeful. Hopes that were eventually dashed on the rocks of mediocrity and boredom...

eyes well up with tears

I thought we could be friends...


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GreyWolfLord wrote:

So I suppose I'm one of the few that actually enjoyed the Green Lantern movie?

I also enjoyed the Green Lantern animated show which I think was by Bruce Timm.

The Green Lantern Animated show was actually good though. I liked it quite a bit. I mean it was no YOUNG JUSTICE but it didnt have to be.


Freehold DM wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Caineach wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
But after that last...uh..green lantern...whatever it was, if that schmoe can be jordan, why can't this guy have a chance to f%## up a movie?
I really liked Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan. What I didn't like was that the directing, storyline, pacing, script, and cinematography all sucked moose dick.

Yeah. His acting (and everyone else's) was fine. It was the rest of the movie that sucked.

As for this guy, I haven't seen a single one of his movies so I can't really say one way or the other if he would be any good.

no, it really, really wasn't. It was an awful movie. It exists solely to be an example of how not to make a green lantern movie.

Yeah I really try not to bash things or even talk about things that I dont like or care for but I had a really hard time understanding how they made a movie that bad.

I mean I'm not even a Hal Jordan fan (Kyle Rayner was my Green Lantern. Just like Wally West was my Flash not Barry Allen) but the trailers got me excited and interested and hopeful. Hopes that were eventually dashed on the rocks of mediocrity and boredom...

eyes well up with tears

I thought we could be friends...

I started reading GREEN LANTERN with Emerald Twilight so yeah, Kyle for the win. I think that I still have almost that entire run of Green Lantern. For the most part the main DC characters (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern) were all kind of boring and unrelatebale to me. What really got me reading DC books initally were Wolfman & Perez New Teen Titans, Mike Barr's Batman and the Outsiders, Mike Grell's Warlord and Levit's Legion of Super-Heroes.

Then Crisis happened and was AWESOME. Then Byrne's (who I was a HUGE fan of at the time) Man of Steel / Superman / Action Comics run. Then George Perez on Wonder Woman and then Giffen/Bierbaums on Legion of Super-Heroes.

I NEVER liked Hal Jordan or Barry Allen. In fact when Geoff Johns went on his silver age tear to bring these characters BACK that was the beginning of the end for me and DC. New 52 only served as the definitive Jumping off point for me. The only comic that I purchase regularly from DC now is ASTRO CITY and that's not part of the DC universe so I'm fine with it.

But Hal Jordan? Meh.


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ShinHakkaider wrote:

What really got me reading DC books initally were Wolfman & Perez New Teen Titans, Mike Barr's Batman and the Outsiders, Mike Grell's Warlord and Levit's Legion of Super-Heroes.

Then Crisis happened and was AWESOME. Then Byrne's (who I was a HUGE fan of at the time) Man of Steel / Superman / Action Comics run. Then George Perez on Wonder Woman and then Giffen/Bierbaums on Legion of...

In my case: Then Crisis happened and was AWESOME and screwed everything up. The Titans went into decline, partly flailing around with Wonder Girl who'd never known Wonder Woman. The Legion kind of imploded, again with the loss of Superboy. Both Infinity Inc & the All Star Squadron fizzled with the loss of Earth 2.

The new Wonder Woman was really good. The Giffen/Bierbaum Legion was good, but uneven and ultimately doomed.

Crisis originally hooked me on DC and simultaneously trashed much of what it had led me to love about DC. I'm still bitter. :)


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Freehold DM wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Caineach wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
But after that last...uh..green lantern...whatever it was, if that schmoe can be jordan, why can't this guy have a chance to f%## up a movie?
I really liked Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan. What I didn't like was that the directing, storyline, pacing, script, and cinematography all sucked moose dick.

Yeah. His acting (and everyone else's) was fine. It was the rest of the movie that sucked.

As for this guy, I haven't seen a single one of his movies so I can't really say one way or the other if he would be any good.

no, it really, really wasn't. It was an awful movie. It exists solely to be an example of how not to make a green lantern movie.

Yeah I really try not to bash things or even talk about things that I dont like or care for but I had a really hard time understanding how they made a movie that bad.

I mean I'm not even a Hal Jordan fan (Kyle Rayner was my Green Lantern. Just like Wally West was my Flash not Barry Allen) but the trailers got me excited and interested and hopeful. Hopes that were eventually dashed on the rocks of mediocrity and boredom...

eyes well up with tears

I thought we could be friends...

As long as you weren't part of HEAT. Those guys need to be dragged out into the street and be subjected to their own threats.


thejeff wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:

What really got me reading DC books initally were Wolfman & Perez New Teen Titans, Mike Barr's Batman and the Outsiders, Mike Grell's Warlord and Levit's Legion of Super-Heroes.

Then Crisis happened and was AWESOME. Then Byrne's (who I was a HUGE fan of at the time) Man of Steel / Superman / Action Comics run. Then George Perez on Wonder Woman and then Giffen/Bierbaums on Legion of...

In my case: Then Crisis happened and was AWESOME and screwed everything up. The Titans went into decline, partly flailing around with Wonder Girl who'd never known Wonder Woman. The Legion kind of imploded, again with the loss of Superboy. Both Infinity Inc & the All Star Squadron fizzled with the loss of Earth 2.

The new Wonder Woman was really good. The Giffen/Bierbaum Legion was good, but uneven and ultimately doomed.

Crisis originally hooked me on DC and simultaneously trashed much of what it had led me to love about DC. I'm still bitter. :)

well said.

Crisis was awesome- and not the way to handle something as delicate as the DC multiverse.


Grey Lensman wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Caineach wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
But after that last...uh..green lantern...whatever it was, if that schmoe can be jordan, why can't this guy have a chance to f%## up a movie?
I really liked Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan. What I didn't like was that the directing, storyline, pacing, script, and cinematography all sucked moose dick.

Yeah. His acting (and everyone else's) was fine. It was the rest of the movie that sucked.

As for this guy, I haven't seen a single one of his movies so I can't really say one way or the other if he would be any good.

no, it really, really wasn't. It was an awful movie. It exists solely to be an example of how not to make a green lantern movie.

Yeah I really try not to bash things or even talk about things that I dont like or care for but I had a really hard time understanding how they made a movie that bad.

I mean I'm not even a Hal Jordan fan (Kyle Rayner was my Green Lantern. Just like Wally West was my Flash not Barry Allen) but the trailers got me excited and interested and hopeful. Hopes that were eventually dashed on the rocks of mediocrity and boredom...

eyes well up with tears

I thought we could be friends...

As long as you weren't part of HEAT. Those guys need to be dragged out into the street and be subjected to their own threats.

Yeah admittedly that's part of why I was pissed about Hal jordan coming back. I feel like they felt that they were vindicated in threatening the lives of both Ron Marz and his child. I hate those HEAT people more than any part of fandom and I HATE fandom in general.


thejeff wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:

What really got me reading DC books initally were Wolfman & Perez New Teen Titans, Mike Barr's Batman and the Outsiders, Mike Grell's Warlord and Levit's Legion of Super-Heroes.

Then Crisis happened and was AWESOME. Then Byrne's (who I was a HUGE fan of at the time) Man of Steel / Superman / Action Comics run. Then George Perez on Wonder Woman and then Giffen/Bierbaums on Legion of...

In my case: Then Crisis happened and was AWESOME and screwed everything up. The Titans went into decline, partly flailing around with Wonder Girl who'd never known Wonder Woman. The Legion kind of imploded, again with the loss of Superboy. Both Infinity Inc & the All Star Squadron fizzled with the loss of Earth 2.

The new Wonder Woman was really good. The Giffen/Bierbaum Legion was good, but uneven and ultimately doomed.

Crisis originally hooked me on DC and simultaneously trashed much of what it had led me to love about DC. I'm still bitter. :)

That's funny because while I'd read Legion before the 'FIVE YEARS LATER' run I felt like I was getting in on the ground floor and so because of that I feel like that was MY Legion. Uneven yes, but the story of the Legion vs. the Dominiators is probably my favorite Legion story.


ShinHakkaider wrote:
thejeff wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:

What really got me reading DC books initally were Wolfman & Perez New Teen Titans, Mike Barr's Batman and the Outsiders, Mike Grell's Warlord and Levit's Legion of Super-Heroes.

Then Crisis happened and was AWESOME. Then Byrne's (who I was a HUGE fan of at the time) Man of Steel / Superman / Action Comics run. Then George Perez on Wonder Woman and then Giffen/Bierbaums on Legion of...

In my case: Then Crisis happened and was AWESOME and screwed everything up. The Titans went into decline, partly flailing around with Wonder Girl who'd never known Wonder Woman. The Legion kind of imploded, again with the loss of Superboy. Both Infinity Inc & the All Star Squadron fizzled with the loss of Earth 2.

The new Wonder Woman was really good. The Giffen/Bierbaum Legion was good, but uneven and ultimately doomed.

Crisis originally hooked me on DC and simultaneously trashed much of what it had led me to love about DC. I'm still bitter. :)

That's funny because while I'd read Legion before the 'FIVE YEARS LATER' run I felt like I was getting in on the ground floor and so because of that I feel like that was MY Legion. Uneven yes, but the story of the Legion vs. the Dominiators is probably my favorite Legion story.

There was definitely some good stuff in there, but the drastic change in tone hurt and it was also hurt by another reboot (or two? The whole Glorith/Mordru thing. All still dealing with the fallout from losing Superboy.)

It tried to hard to be dark and edgy and though parts of it worked, parts of it really didn't. The Giffen stuff generally better than the Bierbaum's IMO. There was also apparently a lot of editorial interference and changes in plans - both for the reboots and for the outcome of the SW6 plotline. Even at the time it all seemed very confused to me. Like they couldn't keep track of where it was all going.


thejeff wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:
thejeff wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:

What really got me reading DC books initally were Wolfman & Perez New Teen Titans, Mike Barr's Batman and the Outsiders, Mike Grell's Warlord and Levit's Legion of Super-Heroes.

Then Crisis happened and was AWESOME. Then Byrne's (who I was a HUGE fan of at the time) Man of Steel / Superman / Action Comics run. Then George Perez on Wonder Woman and then Giffen/Bierbaums on Legion of...

In my case: Then Crisis happened and was AWESOME and screwed everything up. The Titans went into decline, partly flailing around with Wonder Girl who'd never known Wonder Woman. The Legion kind of imploded, again with the loss of Superboy. Both Infinity Inc & the All Star Squadron fizzled with the loss of Earth 2.

The new Wonder Woman was really good. The Giffen/Bierbaum Legion was good, but uneven and ultimately doomed.

Crisis originally hooked me on DC and simultaneously trashed much of what it had led me to love about DC. I'm still bitter. :)

That's funny because while I'd read Legion before the 'FIVE YEARS LATER' run I felt like I was getting in on the ground floor and so because of that I feel like that was MY Legion. Uneven yes, but the story of the Legion vs. the Dominiators is probably my favorite Legion story.

There was definitely some good stuff in there, but the drastic change in tone hurt and it was also hurt by another reboot (or two? The whole Glorith/Mordru thing. All still dealing with the fallout from losing Superboy.)

It tried to hard to be dark and edgy and though parts of it worked, parts of it really didn't. The Giffen stuff generally better than the Bierbaum's IMO. There was also apparently a lot of editorial interference and changes in plans - both for the reboots and for the outcome of the SW6 plotline. Even at the time it all seemed very confused to me. Like they couldn't keep track of where it was all going.

Yeah I totally hear where you're coming from. At the time when I was reading it I had NO IDEA what was going on behind the scenes. Only afterwards in interviews with Mark Waid, Giffen and a few others did I find out about all of the stuff with Superboy.

I was reading it with almost no previous bias. I mean there was some stuff that wasnst seamless but I chalked that stuff up to me not being aware of some continuity based detail(s) and shrugged it off.


ShinHakkaider wrote:

Yeah I totally hear where you're coming from. At the time when I was reading it I had NO IDEA what was going on behind the scenes. Only afterwards in interviews with Mark Waid, Giffen and a few others did I find out about all of the stuff with Superboy.

I was reading it with almost no previous bias. I mean there was some stuff that wasnst seamless but I chalked that stuff up to me not being aware of some continuity based detail(s) and shrugged it off.

I didn't know much of the behind the scenes stuff at the time. Just the obvious "LSH inspired by Superboy and he's been removed by Crisis" and then seeing them rewrite history again and again to deal with that.


thejeff wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:
thejeff wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:

What really got me reading DC books initally were Wolfman & Perez New Teen Titans, Mike Barr's Batman and the Outsiders, Mike Grell's Warlord and Levit's Legion of Super-Heroes.

Then Crisis happened and was AWESOME. Then Byrne's (who I was a HUGE fan of at the time) Man of Steel / Superman / Action Comics run. Then George Perez on Wonder Woman and then Giffen/Bierbaums on Legion of...

In my case: Then Crisis happened and was AWESOME and screwed everything up. The Titans went into decline, partly flailing around with Wonder Girl who'd never known Wonder Woman. The Legion kind of imploded, again with the loss of Superboy. Both Infinity Inc & the All Star Squadron fizzled with the loss of Earth 2.

The new Wonder Woman was really good. The Giffen/Bierbaum Legion was good, but uneven and ultimately doomed.

Crisis originally hooked me on DC and simultaneously trashed much of what it had led me to love about DC. I'm still bitter. :)

That's funny because while I'd read Legion before the 'FIVE YEARS LATER' run I felt like I was getting in on the ground floor and so because of that I feel like that was MY Legion. Uneven yes, but the story of the Legion vs. the Dominiators is probably my favorite Legion story.

There was definitely some good stuff in there, but the drastic change in tone hurt and it was also hurt by another reboot (or two? The whole Glorith/Mordru thing. All still dealing with the fallout from losing Superboy.)

It tried to hard to be dark and edgy and though parts of it worked, parts of it really didn't. The Giffen stuff generally better than the Bierbaum's IMO. There was also apparently a lot of editorial interference and changes in plans - both for the reboots and for the outcome of the SW6 plotline. Even at the time it all seemed very confused to me. Like they couldn't keep track of where it was all going.

I'm a big sw6 fan.


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Kirth Gersen wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
But after that last...uh..green lantern...whatever it was, if that schmoe can be jordan, why can't this guy have a chance to f%## up a movie?
I really liked Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan. What I didn't like was that the directing, storyline, pacing, script, and cinematography all sucked moose dick.

Yeah. His acting (and everyone else's) was fine. It was the rest of the movie that sucked.

As for this guy, I haven't seen a single one of his movies so I can't really say one way or the other if he would be any good.

no, it really, really wasn't. It was an awful movie. It exists solely to be an example of how not to make a green lantern movie.

Yeah I really try not to bash things or even talk about things that I dont like or care for but I had a really hard time understanding how they made a movie that bad.

I mean I'm not even a Hal Jordan fan (Kyle Rayner was my Green Lantern. Just like Wally West was my Flash not Barry Allen) but the trailers got me excited and interested and hopeful. Hopes that were eventually dashed on the rocks of mediocrity and boredom...

eyes well up with tears

I thought we could be friends...

As long as you weren't part of HEAT. Those guys need to be dragged out into the street and be subjected to their own threats.

who?


GreyWolfLord wrote:

So I suppose I'm one of the few that actually enjoyed the Green Lantern movie?

I also enjoyed the Green Lantern animated show which I think was by Bruce Timm.

Nope, I appreciated it for what it was. Light summer popcorn fare. Granted, I'm no big fan of DC comics, so I don't know one Green Lantern from the next.

I have enough exposure to DC material to identify major heroes and villains. But not the intricacies of their plots, motivations, etc.

Call it skill level 1 with a +2 Int bonus.


Freehold DM wrote:
Grey Lensman wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Caineach wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
But after that last...uh..green lantern...whatever it was, if that schmoe can be jordan, why can't this guy have a chance to f%## up a movie?
I really liked Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan. What I didn't like was that the directing, storyline, pacing, script, and cinematography all sucked moose dick.

Yeah. His acting (and everyone else's) was fine. It was the rest of the movie that sucked.

As for this guy, I haven't seen a single one of his movies so I can't really say one way or the other if he would be any good.

no, it really, really wasn't. It was an awful movie. It exists solely to be an example of how not to make a green lantern movie.

Yeah I really try not to bash things or even talk about things that I dont like or care for but I had a really hard time understanding how they made a movie that bad.

I mean I'm not even a Hal Jordan fan (Kyle Rayner was my Green Lantern. Just like Wally West was my Flash not Barry Allen) but the trailers got me excited and interested and hopeful. Hopes that were eventually dashed on the rocks of mediocrity and boredom...

eyes well up with tears

I thought we could be friends...

As long as you weren't part of HEAT. Those guys need to be dragged out into the street and be subjected to their own threats.
who?

THIS kinda glosses over the ugly details of the threats to Editors and Ron Marz (the writer at the time).

This event and certain elements of the RPG community was the beginning of me understanding that its okay to love your hobbies but absolutely DESPISE the fandom. Which for the most part is how I feel even today.


I would have been more into the article if I didn't hate kyle so much. This comes off as less of a "fans can be scary" and more of a "why doesn't everyone love kyle?!" piece.


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Freehold DM wrote:

I would have been more into the article if I didn't hate kyle so much. This comes off as less of a "fans can be scary" and more of a "why doesn't everyone love kyle?!" piece.

Think of HEAT as Hal Jordan fans that manage to make Browncoats at their worst look like reasonable people. And I say this knowing your opinion of all things Whedon, the comparison still stands.


ShinHakkaider wrote:
New 52 only served as the definitive Jumping off point for me. The only comic that I purchase regularly from DC now is ASTRO CITY and that's not part of the DC universe so I'm fine with it.

Wow...oh WoW!

From the way they've presented it, I thought I was the only oen that had the New 52 as the Jumping off Point for me!

For me, that was the complete and total end of the original comics...period.

Afterall, they started with all new #1's after that!

It still might just be me I suppose in that regard....

HOWEVER...I have been excessively tempted to buy Batman (Batman was my go to comic previously...thought it was absolutely the right thing to have Dick become Bats)...but have yet to fall to the dark side.

Still...and now that they've killed Bats once again (I'm starting to think Batman is their guy to continually kill these days if they want ratings or something), I at least am tempted to get the tradepaperbacks to see how it all went down (so I suppose their sell more books by killing Bats might work).

On the otherhand, I think I absolutely find it a turn off that they want to turn Gordon into batman...unless they have him try and constantly fail as well as get beaten in order to show WHY Batman needs to be Bruce (or Dick as at least a dependable, if not as good...fallback).

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