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It only reduces the penalty, not the effort of use (aka handedness). One-handed weapon refers to the category, not the number of hands you actually will use for the weapon.
I believe your examples are correct. So, for example, your halfling would not be able to use Weapon Finesse with the Medium dagger, and your human would still need both hands for the falcata.
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dont know if i got you correct but it shouldnt be possible that BOTH of my examples work.
in the first example i use a medium LIGHT weapon wich is a One-handed for a small creature.
in the 2nd example i use a large One-Handed-weapon wich is a two-handed-weapon for a medium sized creature.i think the item cannot work on both. Either it works on one-handed-weapons, depended on the size of the intended user (example 2) or it works on weapons that are actually one-handed for the user, no matter what category they would be for the intended user.
did you get my point there?
Oops! You're right!
I didn't look close enough at the effortless lace - I just assumed that it included light weapons. (After Slashing Grace, you'd think I'd know better. Silly of me, really.)
The dagger is thus ineligible for the effortless lace.
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So, it's a useful item to put on a Large Bastard Sword.
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A player of my group uses an effortless lace on her offhand rapier.
She thus can dual wield rapiers and gets DEX to damage on both hands thanks to the unchained rogue.
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why would he make the rapier effortless?
he doesnt even need that, you can finesse a rapier anyways:
You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon.and the unchained rogue gets DEX instead of STR on one selected weapon, that is "finessable". And the rapier is finessable, as we just read.
even with an effortless rapier he will still get -4/-4 since its still a one-handed weapon. Its only considered "as a light melee weapon when determining whether it can be used with Weapon Finesse, as well as with any feat, spell, or special weapon ability that can be used in conjunction with light weapons."
so in terms of TWF penalty its still considered one-handed.
why would he make it effortless?also keep in mind its pretty discussed, weather doubleslice gives full DEX on the offhand, since it explicitly says "Strength modifier". But you will find enough threads for that.
He's probably allowing it to be light for TWF... given his name, he's probably running the game.
Double Slice and Unchained Rogue has been FAQed; it works just like Strength. So that rogue would be doing 1/2 Dex on the off hand, unless he's houseruling that too. (As is his right. ^_^)
why would he make the rapier effortless?
he doesnt even need that, you can finesse a rapier anyways:
You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon.and the unchained rogue gets DEX instead of STR on one selected weapon, that is "finessable". And the rapier is finessable, as we just read.
even with an effortless rapier he will still get -4/-4 since its still a one-handed weapon. Its only considered "as a light melee weapon when determining whether it can be used with Weapon Finesse, as well as with any feat, spell, or special weapon ability that can be used in conjunction with light weapons."
so in terms of TWF penalty its still considered one-handed.
why would he make it effortless?also keep in mind its pretty discussed, weather doubleslice gives full DEX on the offhand, since it explicitly says "Strength modifier". But you will find enough threads for that.
He's probably allowing it to be light for TWF... given his name, he's probably running the game.
Double Slice and Unchained Rogue has been FAQed; it works just like Strength. So that rogue would be doing 1/2 Dex on the off hand, unless he's houseruling that too. (As is his right. ^_^)
pretty much that.
yeah, I meant half DEX to the off-hand damage, but didn't say it.
The rogue in question doesn't have Double Slice, but I might hint on it being a good choice, thanks.
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why would he make the rapier effortless?
he doesnt even need that, you can finesse a rapier anyways:
You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon.and the unchained rogue gets DEX instead of STR on one selected weapon, that is "finessable". And the rapier is finessable, as we just read.
even with an effortless rapier he will still get -4/-4 since its still a one-handed weapon. Its only considered "as a light melee weapon when determining whether it can be used with Weapon Finesse, as well as with any feat, spell, or special weapon ability that can be used in conjunction with light weapons."
so in terms of TWF penalty its still considered one-handed.
why would he make it effortless?also keep in mind its pretty discussed, weather doubleslice gives full DEX on the offhand, since it explicitly says "Strength modifier". But you will find enough threads for that.
He's probably allowing it to be light for TWF... given his name, he's probably running the game.
Double Slice and Unchained Rogue has been FAQed; it works just like Strength. So that rogue would be doing 1/2 Dex on the off hand, unless he's houseruling that too. (As is his right. ^_^)
pretty much that.
yeah, I meant half DEX to the off-hand damage, but didn't say it.
The rogue in question doesn't have Double Slice, but I might hint on it being a good choice, thanks.
I'd have to go check clarifications, but because of the last line of the FAQ, Double Slice doesn't work for Dex-to-Damage characters by RAW. Just a heads-up.
I fully endorse house-ruling that as well, of course. ^_^