Hi!
I was wondering what you guys think is the hardest monster/BBEG to defeat in pathfinder
You do not have to have actually fought this boss before.
I think it is probably the tarrasque ( &%$# how is their immunity list so long) They have a freakin 500 hit points and immunnity to most magic and all death effects, negative energy, and more.
Just wondering what you guys think it is
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Tarrasque is annoying to finish off - but not really that difficult for CR 20.
The hardest for their CR is a Quickling with 4 levels of Unchained Rogue/heroic stats/decent gear - with Moonlight Stalker just for extra damage. Oh - and who isn't too proud to run off only to come back when the group least suspects it. (Scariest CR 7 ever!)
Tarrasque is annoying to finish off - but not really that difficult for CR 20.
The hardest for their CR is a Quickling with 4 levels of Unchained Rogue/heroic stats/decent gear - with Moonlight Stalker just for extra damage. Oh - and who isn't too proud to run off only to come back when the group least suspects it. (Scariest CR 7 ever!)
I asked what is the hardest monster to kill not what monster is hard for its cr rating
Cr rating is really not that helpful
Lets say your lvl 1 would you rather fight a tarrasque or a unchained rogue
Along the lines of CLH, monsters with PC classes are the hardest. I'm partial to worms that walk... high level casters with a lot of resistances and immunities.
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Schrodinger's wizard
I would agree that wizards are probably up their for difficulty
When I made this thread I was more meaning monsters and not enemies with pc classes
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Who's the toughest monster? Well, the Oliphaunt from Jandelay is challenge rating 30. He's sort of the tarrasque for mythic characters. By that I mean, the tarrasque was designed to be the most dangerous monster that normal, non-mythic 20th-level characters could take on. The Oliphaunt of Jandelay - a similarly gigantic, world-shattering monster - is probably about as tough as a party of 20th-level, tier 10 PCs can take.
&%*^ I just looked at the Oliphaunts stats
That thing makes a tarrasque look puny
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Of course it's me!
I CHOMP you all with my armored TEETH! I rend you with my armored CLAWS! Run away? I blast you with my armored SPIKES!
If you get lucky and kill me, I'll rise again in 18 seconds and start CHOMPING all over again!
I AM IMMORTAL! I CANNOT BE KILLED!
BWU HA HA HA CHOMP!!! Nom nom nom nom...
Achaekek can't be hurt by anything less than a Demigod and is immune to quite a bit of effects. Most newer higher CR enemies have more things that will shut off their regeneration but Achaekek doesn't really have that.
It is a freaking god!
That by no standards is a monster
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Of course it's me!
I CHOMP you all with my armored TEETH! I rend you with my armored CLAWS! Run away? I blast you with my armored SPIKES!
If you get lucky and kill me, I'll rise again in 18 seconds and start CHOMPING all over again!
I AM IMMORTAL! I CANNOT BE KILLED!
BWU HA HA HA CHOMP!!! Nom nom nom nom...
*rubs magical lamp... waits for Robin Williams*
Of course it's me!
I CHOMP you all with my armored TEETH! I rend you with my armored CLAWS! Run away? I blast you with my armored SPIKES!
If you get lucky and kill me, I'll rise again in 18 seconds and start CHOMPING all over again!
I AM IMMORTAL! I CANNOT BE KILLED!
BWU HA HA HA CHOMP!!! Nom nom nom nom...
Finally someone agrees with me that the tarrasque is very very hard to kill
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Finally someone agrees with me that the tarrasque is very very hard to killOf course it's me!
I CHOMP you all with my armored TEETH! I rend you with my armored CLAWS! Run away? I blast you with my armored SPIKES!
If you get lucky and kill me, I'll rise again in 18 seconds and start CHOMPING all over again!
I AM IMMORTAL! I CANNOT BE KILLED!
BWU HA HA HA CHOMP!!! Nom nom nom nom...
It's not hard to get a tarrasque to agree to anything, actually. We're very agreeable. Especially about lunch (as long as you're buying and I'm eating).
CHOMP!
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*rubs magical lamp... waits for Robin Williams*Of course it's me!
I CHOMP you all with my armored TEETH! I rend you with my armored CLAWS! Run away? I blast you with my armored SPIKES!
If you get lucky and kill me, I'll rise again in 18 seconds and start CHOMPING all over again!
I AM IMMORTAL! I CANNOT BE KILLED!
BWU HA HA HA CHOMP!!! Nom nom nom nom...
Sadly, that might be a very long wait...
Finally someone agrees with me that the tarrasque is very very hard to killOf course it's me!
I CHOMP you all with my armored TEETH! I rend you with my armored CLAWS! Run away? I blast you with my armored SPIKES!
If you get lucky and kill me, I'll rise again in 18 seconds and start CHOMPING all over again!
I AM IMMORTAL! I CANNOT BE KILLED!
BWU HA HA HA CHOMP!!! Nom nom nom nom...
It's not hard to get a tarrasque to agree to anything, actually. We're very agreeable. Especially about lunch (as long as you're buying and I'm eating).
CHOMP!
Ha Ha Ha!
Hes technically one of the first creatures given life by the Gods and isn't a god himself. True gods aren't given stat blocks. That's not to say he isn't pretty close like most CR 30s.It is a freaking god!
That by no standards is a monster
Although he is powerful he is weak for a cr 30 monster
I was wondering what you guys think is the hardest monster/BBEG to defeat in pathfinderThe GM.
Huh Thats very original ;) JK
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Really? Pretty much any Great Wyrm would take down the tarrasque while barely breaking a sweat.
By that I mean, the tarrasque was designed to be the most dangerous monster that normal, non-mythic 20th-level characters could take on.
If it's lucky, but I'm only down for 18 seconds then I'm back up for round 2! I'm pretty sure, by the 3rd or 4th or 5th or 6th round, sooner or later, that great wyrm goes down for the count. Stays down.
It's wyrm for brunch, then I might not even be hungry by dinner time. Unless that wyrm was a Li Lung...
Really? Pretty much any Great Wyrm would take down the tarrasque while barely breaking a sweat.
By that I mean, the tarrasque was designed to be the most dangerous monster that normal, non-mythic 20th-level characters could take on.
That is not even close to accurate
The dragon does not even stand a chance
I think you are forgetting that a tarrasque also has a ranged weapon
Really? Pretty much any Great Wyrm would take down the tarrasque while barely breaking a sweat.
By that I mean, the tarrasque was designed to be the most dangerous monster that normal, non-mythic 20th-level characters could take on.For 18 seconds then I'm back up for round 2!
I'm pretty sure, by the 3rd or 4th or 5th or 6th round, sooner or later, that great wyrm goes down for the count.
It's wyrm for brunch, then I might not even be hungry by dinner time. Unless that wyrm was a Li Lung...
Great posts!
These are hilarious
I am still with Dm_Blake on this arguement.
The thing can keep on regenerating over and over and over
It may not have as much health, damage, defense as some of the other monsters but it can freaking regenerate over and over.
Keep on goinn guys!
These are great!
Hes technically one of the first creatures given life by the Gods and isn't a god himself. True gods aren't given stat blocks. That's not to say he isn't pretty close like most CR 30s.It is a freaking god!
That by no standards is a monster
Those were 3.5 stats and are not relevant. Besides, they changed there minds and made him an actual god now.
It is a freaking god!
That by no standards is a monster
I know many militant atheists who would gladly assert that being a "god" is exactly the gold standard for being a monster. But that might be a whole different issue...
I would peg Cthulhu as a tough bugger for sure...
I would peg Cthulhu as a tough bugger for sure...Nah, he's a wimp as long as you know his weakness.
(It's sailing vessels).
And stars out of alignment.
Which means, of course, ram Cthulhu with the Titanic, since James Cameron used the wrong sky for his night sky during that movie - Big C has no defense against that.
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Really? Pretty much any Great Wyrm would take down the tarrasque while barely breaking a sweat.
By that I mean, the tarrasque was designed to be the most dangerous monster that normal, non-mythic 20th-level characters could take on.If it's lucky, but I'm only down for 18 seconds then I'm back up for round 2! I'm pretty sure, by the 3rd or 4th or 5th or 6th round, sooner or later, that great wyrm goes down for the count. Stays down.
It's wyrm for brunch, then I might not even be hungry by dinner time. Unless that wyrm was a Li Lung...
The tarrasque's ranged attacks are pretty negligible - they'll only hit the dragon on 20's.
As to them coming back - most Great Wyrms cast as 19th level sorcerers. There's a good chance that they have Wish, or have access to the same. Or at the very least they could cast something to get rid of the tarrasque while it's unconscious.
I would peg Cthulhu as a tough bugger for sure...Nah, he's a wimp as long as you know his weakness.
(It's sailing vessels).
And stars out of alignment.
Which means, of course, ram Cthulhu with the Titanic, since James Cameron used the wrong sky for his night sky during that movie - Big C has no defense against that.
It was kinda a fail he used the wrong night sky.
Lucifer has some scary numbers (CR 39, AC 74, 943HP, and +71 to hit on his first trident strike being pretty daunting), as well as his nasty gaze effects, but his lack of immunities makes him less threatening. Going in melee combat and expecting to win would be foolish, but you can hope he rolls a few 1s when trying to dominate him so you can try to make Luci your bodyguard. That said, so long as the DM plays him smart, he's a toughy.
If we're factoring in things like immortality, then there would be a draw - with the Great Old Ones, the Tarrasque, and a few other nasties meeting at a stalemate and then deciding to go for tea. Or maybe a nap.
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Drakaina is one of the hardest monster in the game (Bestiary 4), not only can she create monsters that would counter your party tactics, she can use them as health battery and even transfer any bad condition you would manage to cast on her to her offsprings. She usually works around with a horde of spawns and minions, can heal every single of them with maximized channel energy like a 20th level cleric. Drakaina can create a cr 21 creature or combination of creatures worth cr 21 in total every 24 hours with mutation and worst part...it is part of her CR, so you wouldn't even get extra xp for killing her horde of spawns and minions.
To finish it all of, Drakaina can impregnate your character male or female. If you are non-mythic, you are out of luck, as it always succeed, only mythic creatures can make the save. You are pregnant for a brief amount of rounds (4 on average), the creature burst out from you, as you take 10d6 damage and your armor get the broken condition...
Did I mention that she has constant freedom of movement and true seeing too?
Lucifer has some scary numbers (CR 39, AC 74, 943HP, and +71 to hit on his first trident strike being pretty daunting), as well as his nasty gaze effects, but his lack of immunities makes him less threatening. Going in melee combat and expecting to win would be foolish, but you can hope he rolls a few 1s when trying to dominate him so you can try to make Luci your bodyguard. That said, so long as the DM plays him smart, he's a toughy.
If we're factoring in things like immortality, then there would be a draw - with the Great Old Ones, the Tarrasque, and a few other nasties meeting at a stalemate and then deciding to go for tea. Or maybe a nap.
The problem is that spell casters can easily take out lucifier due to his lack of defense
Omg look how much xp you get for killing a lucifier (over 200,000,000)
What do you need that much xp for?
The problem is that spell casters can easily take out lucifier due to his lack of defenseLucifer has some scary numbers (CR 39, AC 74, 943HP, and +71 to hit on his first trident strike being pretty daunting), as well as his nasty gaze effects, but his lack of immunities makes him less threatening. Going in melee combat and expecting to win would be foolish, but you can hope he rolls a few 1s when trying to dominate him so you can try to make Luci your bodyguard. That said, so long as the DM plays him smart, he's a toughy.
If we're factoring in things like immortality, then there would be a draw - with the Great Old Ones, the Tarrasque, and a few other nasties meeting at a stalemate and then deciding to go for tea. Or maybe a nap.
Very true, and quite unfortunate. Though, if he was allowed to summon all of the arch devils (something he can do once a week) and they obeyed him, then he'd be quite a bit harder.
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The problem is that spell casters can easily take out lucifier due to his lack of defenseLucifer has some scary numbers (CR 39, AC 74, 943HP, and +71 to hit on his first trident strike being pretty daunting), as well as his nasty gaze effects, but his lack of immunities makes him less threatening. Going in melee combat and expecting to win would be foolish, but you can hope he rolls a few 1s when trying to dominate him so you can try to make Luci your bodyguard. That said, so long as the DM plays him smart, he's a toughy.
If we're factoring in things like immortality, then there would be a draw - with the Great Old Ones, the Tarrasque, and a few other nasties meeting at a stalemate and then deciding to go for tea. Or maybe a nap.
If you give him halfway decent gear for his CR - it'd shore up a lot of those weaknesses.
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I think you need immunity on most effects to make the list or you will just die. You also need some sort of immortality. I don't think the Rovagug Spawns make the list though because of
it rises from death 3 rounds later with 1 hit point if no further damage is dealt to its remains.
Just hurt it and it never gets up again. It's not quite a strong enough version of immortality.
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Omg look how much xp you get for killing a lucifier (over 200,000,000)
What do you need that much xp for?
Well, if you're actually fighting a CR 39 bad guy, that means you're not 20th level. Even Mythic tiers won't get you there. So you must have advanced past 20th level.
Here's the medium XP chart extended up to 40th level:
21st 5,700,000
22nd 9,900,000
23rd 18,300,000
24th 35,100,000
25th 68,700,000
26th 135,900,000
27th 270,300,000
28th 539,100,000
29th 1,076,700,000
30th 2,151,900,000
31st 4,302,300,000
32nd 8,603,100,000
33rd 17,204,700,000
34th 34,407,900,000
35th 68,814,300,000
36th 137,627,100,000
37th 275,252,700,000
38th 550,503,900,000
39th 1,101,006,300,000
40th 2,202,011,100,000
So as you can see, even if you're 35th level and your party is taking on an "epic" battle (+4 CR over your APL), you already have 68 Billion XP. Yep, Billion with a "B". When you kill Lucifer for a mere 209,920,000xp, each party member will only get 52,480,000xp. You would have to kill Luciver 1,312 times to level up.
So yeah, you need that XP. All of it.
That is assuming atleast one of them hits and bypass its DR... if not they are lunch meat
It's a safe bet in the eons that the tarrasque as existed that people have tried wishes before....
If wishes were fishes we'd all have a fry
If wishes were ponies we'd all have a rideIf wishes were...
Oh never mind. I CHOMP! the wizard.
Still hungry.
Why are there never any colossal wizards? Or two gargantuan wizards? I want big, mouth-watering wizards!!!
Rovagug...
Just sayin, sure he is un statted so far, but it took a veritable army of GODS to sIMPLY CAGE him... let alone kill him... so i think he kinda wins... that or the Ancient gods who make Cthulhu look like a b%*$$..n
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So, just have a permanent cadre of relatively high level characters beating on the corpse constantly for the rest of time?I think you need immunity on most effects to make the list or you will just die. You also need some sort of immortality. I don't think the Rovagug Spawns make the list though because of
it rises from death 3 rounds later with 1 hit point if no further damage is dealt to its remains.Just hurt it and it never gets up again. It's not quite a strong enough version of immortality.
Or a couple of level 1 fighters. It only has DR 15 - a level 1 fighter with STR 18, PA, & a greatsword averages 16 damage per hit - excluding crits.
Or just drag it to/build around it one of the many types of traps which rearm themselves and average 20+ damage/round.
etc
Even if you can't technically kill it - there are plenty of ways to dispose of it.