The Blood Scion - A Sorcerous Gish With Bloodlines!


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Scarab Sages

I was wondering when someone would mention the "lungs/breathing" issue. Since the Phthisic Bloodline concept is a holistic aggregate of several inspirations, that was my tip of the hat to, as we discussed earlier, the original meaning of the word "phthisic" referring specifically to lung diseases.

As for the grappling thing: You're right, it's got quite a grappling focus, which I hadn't even intended originally. I figure that, yes, if you take this Bloodline you're signing up for the wrestling team, so to speak, but it shouldn't be the only thing the character does. Maybe I should make Assimilation Seed use a normal attack roll at a small penalty rather than another grapple check.

Speaking of which, I did grapple a bit myself with how much damage Ravenous Ribs should do. I had a justification for what I finally went with, but now I seem to have forgotten the details.

Regarding Biomechanical Body, I was just worried about the temporary hit points screwing you otherwise. I know that that risk is supposed to be part of the berserker territory, but this additional level to that risk seemed like TOO much. If you can suggest a better mechanic to avoid that, I'm more than willing to listen.

Interesting point about Inner Breath, but I'm not sure I agree - many people probably won't take it for that reason, but I am certain some people still will, especially since the only other way to acquire it is to be a specific uncommon race, and I abhor the kind of majoritarian thinking that equates "most people won't want this" with "nobody will."

I was certainly wondering how people would react to Assimilation Seed. I kicked the Bloodline off with an H. R. Giger homage, and I finished it the same way. Even though it certainly gives a great deal of room for serious f+%*ing Evil, I would still argue that changing alignment for any use is going too far. If you aren't doing too much more with it than planting it in an enemy you were fighting to the death anyway in case they killed you first, it isn't too different (aside from being far more horrific) from killing them with the disintegrate spell. Heck, you can use it on mindless undead, too!

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I actually checked where the term Phthisic came from when reviewing the Blood Scion version. So I am aware of that. So I kind of see what you're doing, though it feels a bit over kill.

It's fine if grappling is the point of this bloodline, I just wanted to make sure that was intended.

Hmmm, maybe have it be that you gain fast healing while you're in a bloodrage. It gives you the extra hit points every turn and makes it so you're not going to die as easily in general, but it can't be abused as easily because fast healing is simply round by round recovery. Flavor it as self repair nanite or something.

I didn't say I disliked Inner Breath as an option. I'm just warning you that a lot of people will find it superfluous. Leaving it in is perfectly fine and thematic.

I was being snarky when I mentioned changing someone's alignment for using Assimilation Seed to body jack someone else. I apologize if it came out completely serious. It is a very scary power though.

Scarab Sages

kamenhero25 wrote:
I actually checked where the term Phthisic came from when reviewing the Blood Scion version. So I am aware of that. So I kind of see what you're doing, though it feels a bit over kill.

I felt like I was drawing on all the sources. What if I switched the 4th-level bonus spell to something less...pneumatic?

kamenhero25 wrote:


It's fine if grappling is the point of this bloodline, I just wanted to make sure that was intended.

It wasn't, originally, and I still won't go so far as to say it's "the point" of the Bloodline - it's just a prominent part of it.

kamenhero25 wrote:


Hmmm, maybe have it be that you gain fast healing while you're in a bloodrage. It gives you the extra hit points every turn and makes it so you're not going to die as easily in general, but it can't be abused as easily because fast healing is simply round by round recovery. Flavor it as self repair nanite or something.

I guess that's a thought. Another would be that you get a much larger temporary hit point boost every round, but they only last 1 round each (and so aren't cumulative).

kamenhero25 wrote:


I didn't say I disliked Inner Breath as an option. I'm just warning you that a lot of people will find it superfluous. Leaving it in is perfectly fine and thematic.

That being the reason Bloodlines grant more different options for bonus feats than they grant opportunities to take them. ;)

kamenhero25 wrote:


I was being snarky when I mentioned changing someone's alignment for using Assimilation Seed to body jack someone else. I apologize if it came out completely serious.

I kind of understood that. It was just a counterpoint in case you were partly serious, I guess, as well as making sure I didn't miscommunicate anything.

kamenhero25 wrote:
It is a very scary power though.

That's the idea, alright! Glad to hear it!


I think changing one of the bloodline spells would be fine.

Having a bloodline that's good at something specific is fun. You just need to be aware of how to play it properly. And frankly it even synergized well with the tongue power since you can use a bite attack while grappling someone.


Just wanna throw in my vote in favor of changing biomechanical body from temp. hp to fast healing.


ultra dotting. Celestial Blood Scion for next adventure!

great work Ethereal Gears!

hope to see more Scion

BHH


Cheers mate. Glad you like it!

I've sort of been putting this class on hold, as my Shadewright base class and other homebrew projects have been taking precedence. However, once that winds down I may look in to create some of those bloodlines discussed in this thread that haven't been made yet (Small-themed, time-themed, et cetera). We'll see!


Also another idea is for a Kyton bloodline. Anyways I want to pop in and say good luck Ethereal keep up the good work.


I've just written so much Shadow Plane-themed stuff now after creating the shadewright and a whooping 20 complex archetypes for the poor girl. Plus the blood scion's umbral bloodline already has a bit of kyton flavor. I feel like I would basically just end up cribbing off the shadewright's anchorite archetype, which is basically a creepy kyton monk thingie. Still though, if inspiration strikes I'll give it a go for sure!

Thanks for cheering me on and wishing good luck. It means a lot! :)

Cheers,
- Gears


Let me start off by saying that this is awesome!
I also have my own idea, however, and if you are okay with it, I can help you put it into place! My idea is an alien bloodline


Or the plague bloodline!


And the storm bloodline!


The modern bloodline is awesome!


Glad you like the class. I'm quite fond of it myself. There actually is already a plague-and-disease-themed bloodline, called the malignant bloodline. There's also several "alien"-like bloodlines. I'd take a look at aberrant, phthisic, sidereal, swarming and sallow, to begin with. They all have varying and different degrees of "alien" flavor. As for a storm bloodline, check out the tempestuous bloodline. It's pretty much exactly that.

I'm also a fan of the modern bloodline, wacky though it is. :)

Cheers,
- Gears

Scarab Sages

Hey there! You didn't think I forgot about all this, did you?

I've finally gotten around to editing the Pthisic Bloodrager based on your feedback...but now I've got a problem, because Google Drive doesn't acknowledge the existence of the file when I try to upload it.


That's very weird. Whenever I upload an updated version of a homebrew file to one of my Google Drive folders, I always make sure to delete the old version first, just so the folder doesn't get cluttered up with outdated versions. Not sure if that's of any help; otherwise I'm afraid I don't have a clue about the problem you're describing, sadly. :/

Scarab Sages

That may have something to do with it. I'll try again.

Scarab Sages

This is really stupid. Google Drive doesn't acknowledge the existence of OpenDocument Texts, or whatever the file type is...even though it seemed like it did before. I don't know what else to turn it into. It recognizes PDFs, but I don't know how to make it into one (and am uncertain if I ought to).


Oh, right. Yes, I always convert my documents into PDFs before uploading them. Then if I make an edit, I just delete the old PDF and upload a new one containing the new changes. I use Microsoft Office 2007, which simply allows you to save files as PDFs rather than .doc or .odt files. I'm pretty sure OpenOffice (if that's what you're using; otherwise it is free to download, at any rate) also has a feature to save files as .pdf?

EDIT: Well, actually, OpenOffice's feature terms it as "Export as PDF", but it definitely seems to work. I'd recommend finishing up the doc, then exporting it as a .pdf, then uploading said .pdf. That's what's always worked for me.

Scarab Sages

Oookaayyy...I'm pretty sure I did what you told me to do...and it STILL doesn't recognize it's there!

Then again, whatever I turned it into by exporting it as a PDF...now my computer can't seem to read it either.


Well, then I'm at a loss, I'm afraid. I'm not a very technical guy myself, so I'm sad to say my capacity for aiding another in this instance is suffering all kinds of circumstantial penalties. :/

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