Magical / Masterwork Viridium and Glass weapons still "Fragile?"


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Although magical and masterwork weapons made out of fragile materials do not possess the disadvantages of a fragile weapon - can weapons made of the materials still possess the Fragile quality?

The PRD says this about Fragile weapons:

Paizo PRD wrote:
Fragile weapons cannot take the beating that sturdier weapons can. A fragile weapon gains the broken condition if the wielder rolls a natural 1 on an attack roll with the weapon. If a fragile weapon is already broken, the roll of a natural 1 destroys it instead. Masterwork and magical fragile weapons lack these flaws unless otherwise noted in the item description.

Note how the weapons are still referred to as "fragile weapons," but lack all the flaws of fragile weapons. Read as written, this passage implies the existence of the feature without its quality - which is invaluable for some feats and several other class abilities.

All special materials that can be used to make Fragile weapons are as follows: Bone, Bronze, Glass, Gold, Obsidian, Stone, and Viridium. Every material is available on the PRD except for Glass, which was taken from Pathfinder #71: Rasputin Must Die! pg. 89.

One large issue is that most Fragile materials on the PRD have the following caveat listed in the material description:

Paizo PRD wrote:
Magically strengthened <material> does not have the fragile quality...

The only materials that lack this sentence are Viridium and Glass. A Viridium weapon must be magically strengthened by a specific treatment at a cost of 1kgp, while the section for Glass weapons merely tells the reader to refer to Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Combat 146 (the PRD section at the top) for further details.

Therefore, does the lack of a disqualifying sentence in both materials allow the Fragile quality in magical or masterwork weapons made from these materials?

Sovereign Court

You *want* your magical viridium weapon to be fragile?


Yup. Mostly for Disposable Weapon and maybe critfishing. There are some more extensive thoughts I might discuss at length, but I've kept from mentioning those as not to derail the question.

I was also wondering if the issue could be avoided altogether: Does adding Magic/Greater Magic Weapon and the Magus Arcane Pool enhancements count as making nonmagical, non-masterwork weapons/ammunition "magically strengthened?"

Sovereign Court

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The phrase "Magically Strengthened" has meaning in Pathfinder. It's not just "making something magical". Usually it involves paying 100gp/lb of primitive material, which then removes the fragile quality, though Ultimate Combat and Ultimate Equipment vary a little in this approach.

IMO, Simply casting Magic Weapon would not remove the fragile quality from Viridium. My Swashbuckler (this profile) uses a Magically Strengthened Viridium Scimitar. Reading the description for Viridium it seemed that paying the +1000gp pricetag was the only way to remove the fragile quality from it, since the Ultimate Combat rules for making masterwork/magical primitive weapons doesn't seem to apply to Viridium from Ultimate Equipment (it's not a "primitive material").

Grand Lodge

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Masterwork Bone Weapons have the Fragile Quality.

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