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According to natural science we are all slaves to our genes and there is no freewill and there is no morality. So what?Spoken like someone who really has no grasp of natural science.
The studies of separated identical twins has shown that there are genetic pre-dispositions to certain types of behavior, such as the happiness quotient. Certain people are going to be more happy, sad, etc. than others.
HOWEVER...Those same studies also show that environment, and upbringing still play a major role in how people develop. And unlike almost every other form of life on the planet, Humans do demonstrate the rare gift of self-awareness. And the more effort you take to explore and develop your self-awareness the more free will you'll actually have. Keep in mind however that the environmental factors I mention, also include chemicals that you're exposed to in the environment, for good and ill.
Free will and morality thus aren't simplistic objects of their own, they arise as a composite of all three elements... Nature, Nurture, and Self-Awareness.
There's some interesting stuff about infant development here. Interesting reading.
No, but lately I have been hearing an increasing number of scientist say stuff like that.No i'm saying According to natural science we are all slaves and there is no freewill and there is no good or bad.Are you saying you agree with this idea?
I'm fairly certain you haven't, actually.
No i'm saying According to natural science we are all slaves and there is no freewill and there is no good or bad.According to natural science we are all slaves to our genes and there is no freewill and there is no morality. So what?Do you mean that you have experienced slavery and found it to not be a bad thing?Really? When did you talk to natural science?
Because I'm fairly sure he/she/it said no such thing.
Just "it," Orf, just "it."
SCIENCE WILL NEVER BE GENDER SPECIFIC!!
(Sorries to Katie!)
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No, but lately I have been hearing an increasing number of scientist say stuff like that.No i'm saying According to natural science we are all slaves and there is no freewill and there is no good or bad.Are you saying you agree with this idea?Pick any viewpoint, rational, off the mainstream, or simply far and out banannas and you'll find a "scientist" who advocates it.
Hearsay means nothing. Science follows a many fold path which has peer review as the ultimate checkmate against fraud, incompetence, or insanity.
Peer reviewed science seldom makes statements as simplistic as the ones you keep making. And it definitely did NOT in this case.
Unless you're talking about human caused global warming, oops, I mean climate change. Then general consensus is good enough.
Overwhelming, peer reviewed research consensus, you mean.Unless you're talking about human caused global warming, oops, I mean climate change. Then general consensus is good enough.No, but lately I have been hearing an increasing number of scientist say stuff like that.No i'm saying According to natural science we are all slaves and there is no freewill and there is no good or bad.Are you saying you agree with this idea?Pick any viewpoint, rational, off the mainstream, or simply far and out banannas and you'll find a "scientist" who advocates it.
Hearsay means nothing. Science follows a many fold path which has peer review as the ultimate checkmate against fraud, incompetence, or insanity.
Peer reviewed science seldom makes statements as simplistic as the ones you keep making. And it definitely did NOT in this case.
Nope, I mean no such thing.
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I have a feeling that this is a very interesting direction for the thread to take:
Off a cliff!
WHEEEEEE!
Man why can't we be talking about why we don't have tree crocs, gorilla-sized lemurs, and mini ground sloths instead of all this free will/religion/ stuff :(
The Crocs are Militarized!!
The 6th extinction is upon us!!
I'm cool tho, I've been preparing, as you can see :-)
Does anyone have any Stimpaks or Mirelurk Cakes?
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Baring immigrants and the children of immigrants, most western nations have negative growth rates. The problem is trying to sustain a western life style that leads to that eats up 144? X the resources that someone in the third world uses.
I think the best we can do is try to triage until either light speed comes out, or send some moss over to start terraforming mars now.
Baring immigrants and the children of immigrants, most western nations have negative growth rates. The problem is trying to sustain a western life style that leads to that eats up 144? X the resources that someone in the third world uses.
I think the best we can do is try to triage until either light speed comes out, or send some moss over to start terraforming mars now.
Almost the entirety of population growth in the next 40 years will be from increasing life spans and not reproduction.
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Mmmmm....population growth.
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That's an extremely defeatist attitude.
Something as ephemeral as attitude is irrelevant. It is what it is. We caused massive extinctions with a population in the millions and sharp pointy sticks. We're not going to drop our population or technological levels below that so something else needs to radically change.
Worse, we ALL have to make the changes together. We don't have a "Team human" to rally around. On a good day we have decisions made by nation states. Its in every states interests to fix the problem, but it is in any states interest to let other nations weaken themselves while you grow your economy and population. Population and polution are a mexican standoff. Trying to get everyone to put their guns down first is going to be hard.
Like it or not, Humanity's stand is right here, right now. Either that, or we'll correct ourselves out of existence.
We won't. We;re way too good at surviving at this point and there are way to many of us. The problem isn't whether we go down with the ship or not its a matter of how many other lifeforms we're going to send to their demise first. The arsonist is usually the one with the best chance of escaping a fire.
Getting those people off planet first MIGHT be the solution...
Getting those people off planet first MIGHT be the solution...Not when it doesn't get them out of power.
well, i'm assuming a hard sci fi universe here where putting them at about 5 light years out makes i impossible to communicate back here with the rest of the morelocks. That should keep them out of trouble.