Skald + Raging Vitality , can I ?

[Kito425]

Can Skalds take raging vitality ?

[Cavall]

The rage comes from the performance. The performance ends if unconcious. Since this doesn't let you sing while asleep, I'd say no.

[Chess Pwn]

but I say it'll boost you con bonus while raging still.

[harmful opinions]

sorry mate, raging vitality requires the rage class feature, which is unavailable to skalds.

[Doug Hood]

You sure about that?

Skalds are considered to have the rage class feature it seems
1: they get rage powers

2: from paizo's website about the skald class:

"If an ally has her own rage class ability (such as barbarian's rage, bloodrager's bloodrage, or skald's inspired rage)"

Seems clear Paizo is saying skald's inspired rage IS a "rage class" ability.

Am I missing something?

[Rysky]

It's "A" rage class ability but it's not

A) "THE" Rage class ability (Barbarian)

nor

B) is it treated as Rage for the purposes of what you can take (Bloodrage)

Case in point,

Bloodrager wrote:

Bloodrage counts as the barbarian's rage class feature for the purpose of feat prerequisites, feat abilities, magic item abilities, and spell effects.

Raging Song does not have this caveat.

[Darksol the Painbringer]

Yeah, abilities usually have specific wording that says it counts as X for Y reasons. Bloodrage is a good example that Rysky gives that has explicit language stating Bloodrage counts as Rage for the purposes of feats and abilities and so on.

Skalds don't have that wording (merely that it doesn't stack with a character who uses Rage, and by relation, Bloodrage).

So, you wouldn't meet the pre-requisites.

Even if you did, you'd only benefit from the +2 Constitution while it's active (which is still certainly worth a feat). You couldn't feasibly benefit from the unconscious benefit because Inspired Rage requires you to perform as a Free Action, and being unconscious prevents you from taking such a Free Action. Therefore, you wouldn't be able to spend the Free Action to maintain the Inspired Rage, so it would drop automatically, Raging Vitality or not.

[Chengar Qordath]

Darksol the Painbringer wrote:

Yeah, abilities usually have specific wording that says it counts as X for Y reasons. Bloodrage is a good example that Rysky gives that has explicit language stating Bloodrage counts as Rage for the purposes of feats and abilities and so on.

Skalds don't have that wording (merely that it doesn't stack with a character who uses Rage, and by relation, Bloodrage).

So, you wouldn't meet the pre-requisites.

Even if you did, you'd only benefit from the +2 Constitution while it's active (which is still certainly worth a feat). You couldn't feasibly benefit from the unconscious benefit because Inspired Rage requires you to perform as a Free Action, and being unconscious prevents you from taking such a Free Action. Therefore, you wouldn't be able to spend the Free Action to maintain the Inspired Rage, so it would drop automatically, Raging Vitality or not.

Agreed.

Though I would mention that Skalds can go with Lingering Performance to keep raging for a couple rounds into unconsciousness, at least.

[Cavall]

Would they? It states requirements must be met. Would being awake count as one?

[Rysky]

Pretty sure that falls under "cease performing" that triggers Lingering Performance.

[Cavall]

Which is my question. Is stopping a song different from having a song stopped?

You're likely right just never much thought of it.

[Rysky]

No, there is no difference.

[Darksol the Painbringer]

If a Performance is stopped by the Bard, then the Performance ends.

Likewise, if the Bard's Performance is stopped by some ability, or by the Bard unable to take a Free Action to maintain the performance, then the Performance ends.

Either way, the result is the same: The performance ends.

As far as I know, Lingering Performance applies when the Performance ends. So regardless of what happens to the Performance, the feat would kick in.

[Cavall]

Works for me. It's how I've been running it. Thank you peoples