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Most people saw Vader more as a trouble shooter who came in when things go wrong.
As far as they are concerned, he is just a glorified stormtrooper leader.
His true status as the emperor's right hand was known only to a few.
This is what the emperor wanted people to think.
Also, the emperor may not have totally trusted Vader and placed him under the leadership of others.
That was why Vader was deferential to Tarkin.
That may also be why a lieutenant was questioning Vader's decision to take Leia prisoner instead of executing her.
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NEWEST International Rogue One trailer!
That probably is a Kyber crystal Jyn is given.
Expect nerds all around the world to be gifting them to their loved ones.
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NEWEST International Rogue One trailer!That probably is a Kyber crystal Jyn is given.
Expect nerds all around the world to be gifting them to their loved ones.
So presumably jyns dad is lightsaber scholar who is forced to engineer a death star sized light sabre gun.
I thought Rogue Squadron was now written out of the official canon?
They definitely still exist in the new canon because they're in EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. However, their significance and all the things they did later on (like spearheading the conquest of Coruscant) is out of the window.
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There better be some y wings in this film.
Also, they would be "Red Squadron" in this movie. Luke's callsign was "Red Five." Red Squadron wouldn't become "Rogue Squadron" until shortly before Empire.
according to some books I read, it was Rogue for this mission, then returned to red so that the empire wouldn't know which part of the rebellion was attacking the death star to protect the families of the Rebels(Rogue squadron becoming quite famous for their move).
There better be some y wings in this film.
There are! In the scene in the trailer set at night with the X-wings flying over you can just see two Y-wings in the background. There's also some in the Rebel hanger and there's a crashed one on the jungle beach planet.
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There better be some y wings in this film.There are! In the scene in the trailer set at night with the X-wings flying over you can just see two Y-wings in the background. There's also some in the Rebel hanger and there's a crashed one on the jungle beach planet.
thank you. Here's hoping that they get to splash some enemy fighters.
I'd love it if there were Z-95's in it as well, but that's probably hoping for way too much.
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This looks like a much better film than force awakens- tighter plot, more interesting characters and at least some time on the nitty-gritty side of life and living in the SW universe, something that has been lacking for a long time now.
Seeing some of it taking place in actual settlements has me intrigued at the possibilities.
I don't know what a bothan is but i better see a lot of dead ones
I don't know what a bothan is but i better see a lot of dead ones
BNW:
Bothan *Political Figure Not Named Because Of Similarity To RL Politicians*
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I don't know what a bothan is but i better see a lot of dead ones
You are possibly thinking of the Death Star II and the events leading up to Return of the Jedi, but as a loyal Imperial, I always welcome the chance of seeing dead Bothans.
Not a Bothan apologist, but they WERE loyal members of the Empire until some point around Empire.
Sure, they were shady bureaucrats, but they were the EMPIRE's shady bureaucrats...
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Bothans are the ultimate political opportunists and back room politicos, they were always hedging their bets. They were not even loyal to themselves as a race.
If The Empire won out, "hey good thing we helped sell the trap with your plans to eradicate the Rebellion, high five Darth! Now how about you do something for us ... as you know, so many dead Bothans."
If the Rebellion won, "hey good thing we found out about the plans to eradicate the Rebellion, high five Leia! Now how about you do something for us ... as you know, so many dead Bothans."
BNW
How to paint a Bothan. (very well done)
The best kind of Bothan. A Bothan on his way.
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To his credit, Timothy Zhan took the original idea of West End Games Bothans to such an extreme level - racially counterparts of real world politicians always acting in their self interest that you could not help but have your skin crawl when you thought of Bothans.
Bothan culture was guided by the overreaching philosophy and principles which placed the pursuit of political power and influence as paramount.
Individual Bothans put their own political and economic success above all other concerns, and as a species, Bothans put their own advancement ahead of any other intergalactic interests, though many did side with the Rebel Alliance during the Galactic Civil war, to undermine those of their own race that had grown powerful by serving The Empire.
The volume of backstabbing, subtle character assassination and political maneuvering in Bothan society was dizzying, and resulted in many species stereotyping Bothans as untrustworthy. In fact, most Bothans are habitually paranoid, believing that anyone who's not working with them, is working against them. There is no win-win scenario to a Bothan, it's I (always) win, you lose.
You would make better deals with a Hutt than a Bothan.
To his credit, Timothy Zhan took the original idea of West End Games Bothans to such an extreme - real world politician always acting in their self interest levels that you could not help but have your skin crawl when you thought of Bothans.
Bothan culture was guided by the overreaching philosophy and principles which placed the pursuit of political power and influence as paramount.
Individual Bothans put their own political and economic success above all other concerns, and as a species, Bothans put their own advancement ahead of any other intergalactic interests, though many did side with the Rebel Alliance during the Galactic Civil war, to undermine those of their own race that had grown powerful by serving The Empire.
The volume of backstabbing, subtle character assassination and political maneuvering in Bothan society was dizzying, and resulted in many species stereotyping Bothans as untrustworthy. In fact, most Bothans are habitually paranoid, believing that anyone who's not working with them, is working against them.
You would make better deals with a Hutt than a Bothan.
In addition, that stereotype was SO prevalent that individuals who *didn't* engage in this 'politico' style behaviour were viewed as 'disloyal to Clan' at least and 'dangerously insane' at worst...
And we definitely won't talk about how speciesist they were.
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I appreciate Bothans as a race/species, but Borsk?
He can die in a fire, repeatedly. And then when he's done doing that, freeze to death on Hoth a half-dozen times for good measure before being dropped into a singularity.
Wow, where is all this info coming from? Older non canon books I'm assuming?
It's in a 'twilight zone' that is sort of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Canon at the moment, if memory serves?
It's not *not* Canon (well, except for the Y-V alien stuff, which definitely isn't) but some of it is still on really shaky six-degrees ground of connection...
Not overly invested in the EU myself...but in regards to the bothan information...
In otherwords, it is from the now Non-Canon Star Wars books that Disney nullified...as with their new movie The Force Awakens it is basically shown that everything from Zahn's original trilogy onwards didn't happen unless they write it back into canon with some other books.
That said, I should read Zahn's other SW booksv(even if they are no longer canon, and perhaps his new canon book), he's far better than anyone I've seen writing for Disney's SW books recently, and perhaps the only EU type author I'd read (I DID give the new SW authors a try...tried to read Aftermath...after that...no way...I have FAR better things to do with my time).
I thought his books were okayish. There were some good action scenes. But he tended to go on and on and on...
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Got it. I'm not interested in all those old books either. I'm very much in the "the movies are all that really count" camp :)
Ok, so, as far as the actual movies go, we only have that one line about many Bothans died to get the plans, right? It will be very interesting to see how those Bothans are handled /addressed in the movie!
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Got it. I'm not interested in all those old books either. I'm very much in the "the movies are all that really count" camp :)
Ok, so, as far as the actual movies go, we only have that one line about many Bothans died to get the plans, right? It will be very interesting to see how those Bothans are handled /addressed in the movie!
They grabbed the plans for the *second* try, prior to Jedi. Not the first one, which was a different run.
Got it. I'm not interested in all those old books either. I'm very much in the "the movies are all that really count" camp :)
Ok, so, as far as the actual movies go, we only have that one line about many Bothans died to get the plans, right? It will be very interesting to see how those Bothans are handled /addressed in the movie!
They grabbed the plans for the *second* try, prior to Jedi. Not the first one, which was a different run.
which we are about to find out the details of.
So after watching all the trailers several times, I am happy to report that the AT-AT that gets hit by a missle in the left weapons mount later blows up and falls due to damage inflicted by a starfighter.
Not so tough now are you AT AT..
Oh, hey, you mean that Thrawn might actually, y'know, be the complete bad-ass he was until he took ill of the Stupid Plot Device Syndrome?
He was one of my few favorite Imperials until the plotonium poisoning got him in the EU.