Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria
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I thought that they got the full cavity search to make sure they don't have anything they aren't supposed to have, like a bankbook from the Bank of Abadar, secreted on their person...Oh that is a totally different case, you just get sanctioned under the mental health act until your delusions stop ^^But I'm a vow of poverty monk!
Naked: We're going to need to see your social security number sir...
And if they still don't trust you... they give you stuff to take away your poverty powers
Hey, if you want to have a vow of poverty, you had better own a copy of Ultimate Magic. No poverty without property.But I'm a vow of poverty monk!
Naked: We're going to need to see your social security number sir...
But also begs the question, you don't actually own the pdf, you more of less have a license to use it, so can VOP characters own licenses, patents or rights? Can the hold a copyright?
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Core expevtation or not, you need to own the core rulebook.Cite from the GtOP or FAQ? Because I can only find references to requiring Additional Resources, which the CRB is not.
Here's a post from Mike Brock clarifying what the GtPFSOP means by 'assumes'; I think someone may even have linked to it up-thread.
EDIT: Here's another one.
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Where's the grey area? Where's the fuzz? When a new player shows interest in PFS, what's the first thing everyone does? Says "Go download the Guide to Society Organized Play. You need it." Why is it so fuzzy that one must own the Core Rulebook to play? Now, as stated, the Guide specifically points out (with support from Mike) that one does not have to have to it for their first game or first few games, but it is indeed something they need to obtain. The ONLY thing fuzzy is when that deadline is. Personally, for me, it's once your first character hits 2nd level. I cannot enforce that limit with Paizo backing me, but it makes sense as it lists out how a character advances.
Then again, it irks me to no end when players hand off their characters to be leveled by someone else and only plays from the sheet...
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Core expevtation or not, you need to own the core rulebook.Cite from the GtOP or FAQ? Because I can only find references to requiring Additional Resources, which the CRB is not. [i]EDIT: Hmm, it does say "assume every player has". But that is rather less equivocal than "must have a physical copy of the Additional Resource
in question, a name-watermarked Paizo PDF of it, or a
printout of the relevant pages from it".Also, if you turn up to the table naked, whether you have all you AR is probably the least of people's concerns. Unless you are at a very...specialist...con.
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I think others (thanks!) Have done the citing quite nicely. But let's look at it logically.
If core assumption means that its assumed everyone has one, and thus a copy will always be at the table = you don't actually need to own it...
Then how is it at the table if nobody actually owns it?
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Paizo's a good company. If you like the game, show your support and buy the book from them or your local game store (they deserve love, too!) I don't think it's an unreasonable requirement. PDFs of the hardcover books are ridiculous cheap. I think they're on sale, too. If you want to play Pathfinder, it's probably a good idea to have a copy of the main rulebooks anyway.
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You do not need to own all the books for a 1/2 way decent character. You can have a 1/2 way, even great character when designed well, with just the core rule book. You don't have to use every extra peripheral and shiny spinner to role play.
You already have a device with an app. I am sure you can already or get a free PDF reader for that same device, then get the core rulebook for just $10. Even if you are a kid with less than that for a weekly allowance, telling your parents you want to read a nearly 600 page book will likely encourage them to spring the $10. Even if you have to work it out as a substitute from your regular allowance.
If you keep yourself to core rulebook only, I doubt you will ever be yanked from a table for not owning one. Especially the first level or 2 when you can claim you are giving the game a test ride to decide if it is worth the purchase for you.
In order to play that character you would need to own copies of Core Rulebook, Advanced Race Guide (Ancestral Arms), Advanced Player's Guide (Polearm Master), Ultimate Campaign (Reactionary), and Humans of Golarion (Bred For War).
Reactionary is also in the Advanced Player's Guide. In fact, several of the traits that list Ultimate Campaign as the source can also be found in the APG.
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Serious question: I recognise the cost-to-play/cost-to-run ideals, and that's fine since PDFs are cheap. That said, the PRD IS on the Player's Resources page. If this is true, why wouldn't I be allowed to reference the PRD when creating a character/siting a sources for a feat/spell/rule/etc?
Seems kind of backwards if you ask me.
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Serious question: I recognise the cost-to-play/cost-to-run ideals, and that's fine since PDFs are cheap. That said, the PRD IS on the Player's Resources page. If this is true, why wouldn't I be allowed to reference the PRD when creating a character/siting a sources for a feat/spell/rule/etc?
Seems kind of backwards if you ask me.
Because if the 75,000 people who played Pathfinder Society used only the PRD, then Paizo wouldn't be selling books.
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Because if the 75,000 people who played Pathfinder Society used only the PRD, then Paizo wouldn't be selling books.Serious question: I recognise the cost-to-play/cost-to-run ideals, and that's fine since PDFs are cheap. That said, the PRD IS on the Player's Resources page. If this is true, why wouldn't I be allowed to reference the PRD when creating a character/siting a sources for a feat/spell/rule/etc?
Seems kind of backwards if you ask me.
Fair enough, fair enough. But it doesn't explain why it's linked as a player resource, nor does it account for the splat books and non-core books that are not included in the PRD.
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Fair enough, fair enough. But it doesn't explain why it's linked as a player resource, nor does it account for the splat books and non-core books that are not included in the PRD.Because if the 75,000 people who played Pathfinder Society used only the PRD, then Paizo wouldn't be selling books.Serious question: I recognise the cost-to-play/cost-to-run ideals, and that's fine since PDFs are cheap. That said, the PRD IS on the Player's Resources page. If this is true, why wouldn't I be allowed to reference the PRD when creating a character/siting a sources for a feat/spell/rule/etc?
Seems kind of backwards if you ask me.
I'm not sure I understand your distinction at all.
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Fair enough, fair enough. But it doesn't explain why it's linked as a player resource, nor does it account for the splat books and non-core books that are not included in the PRD.Because if the 75,000 people who played Pathfinder Society used only the PRD, then Paizo wouldn't be selling books.Serious question: I recognise the cost-to-play/cost-to-run ideals, and that's fine since PDFs are cheap. That said, the PRD IS on the Player's Resources page. If this is true, why wouldn't I be allowed to reference the PRD when creating a character/siting a sources for a feat/spell/rule/etc?
Seems kind of backwards if you ask me.
It is linked as a player resource to support the newest players, the ones who haven't bought all the books yet, so they can see what is in the hardcovers, and decide if they want what is in them enough to purchase them.
And the PRD only includes OGL material, which is why the various splatbooks are not (usually) included.
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Fair enough, fair enough. But it doesn't explain why it's linked as a player resource, nor does it account for the splat books and non-core books that are not included in the PRD.Because if the 75,000 people who played Pathfinder Society used only the PRD, then Paizo wouldn't be selling books.Serious question: I recognise the cost-to-play/cost-to-run ideals, and that's fine since PDFs are cheap. That said, the PRD IS on the Player's Resources page. If this is true, why wouldn't I be allowed to reference the PRD when creating a character/siting a sources for a feat/spell/rule/etc?
Seems kind of backwards if you ask me.
It is linked as a player resource to support the newest players, the ones who haven't bought all the books yet, so they can see what is in the hardcovers, and decide if they want what is in them enough to purchase them.
And the PRD only includes OGL material, which is why the various splatbooks are not (usually) included.
My question was mostly rhetorical, but since it affirms my own thoughts on the matter, I'll agree and let this topic slide. I was mostly curious about this because I lost about a third of my Pathfinder books in a complex move-related incident due to health emergencies and poor planning in said move due to hospitalization. Needless to say, rebuilding that bookshelf is getting expensive. I've been purchasing the PDFs because they're cheaper, but I dunno. Call me old-school, but I like the feel of a tome in my lap. *shrugs*
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My question was mostly rhetorical, but since it affirms my own thoughts on the matter, I'll agree and let this topic slide. I was mostly curious about this because I lost about a third of my Pathfinder books in a complex move-related incident due to health emergencies and poor planning in said move due to hospitalization. Needless to say, rebuilding that bookshelf is getting expensive. I've been purchasing the PDFs because they're cheaper, but I dunno. Call me old-school, but I like the feel of a tome in my lap. *shrugs*Fair enough, fair enough. But it doesn't explain why it's linked as a player resource, nor does it account for the splat books and non-core books that are not included in the PRD.Because if the 75,000 people who played Pathfinder Society used only the PRD, then Paizo wouldn't be selling books.Serious question: I recognise the cost-to-play/cost-to-run ideals, and that's fine since PDFs are cheap. That said, the PRD IS on the Player's Resources page. If this is true, why wouldn't I be allowed to reference the PRD when creating a character/siting a sources for a feat/spell/rule/etc?
Seems kind of backwards if you ask me.
It is linked as a player resource to support the newest players, the ones who haven't bought all the books yet, so they can see what is in the hardcovers, and decide if they want what is in them enough to purchase them.
And the PRD only includes OGL material, which is why the various splatbooks are not (usually) included.
Putting the PRD on the additional resources list was a means for GMs to be able to reference a rule/feat/spell/whathaveyou. It was never meant to give players the ability to side-step the own a book to use stuff from it.