Un / Holy Ice Weapon and Unarmed Strike as Deity's Favored Weapon

[chbgraphicarts]

How would this work?

Say you have Irori as your god, and you use Holy Ice Weapon to create your Deity's Favored Weapon - does ice form around your hands, allowing you to deal the extra Ice Damage?

Or do you have to form Gauntlets?

What do you do?

[delabarre]

"This weapon must be a simple weapon or your deity's favored weapon." As GM I wouldn't allow this spell to be used in conjunction with unarmed attacks, even if that is the deity's favored weapon, when the spell lets you select any simple weapon instead.

[Eoxyn]

Unarmed Strikes are a simple weapon.

[chbgraphicarts]

Also the "Or your Deity's Favored Weapon" clause.

RAW, then, Unarmed Strike is a perfectly legal thing to choose, so long as you worship a Deity who has Unarmed Strike as their Favored Weapon

RAI... uhhhhhh... yeah...

Obviously, every other weapon needs to be held in your hand, so making one appear out of air isn't a problem - not much imagination needed there.

How Unarmed "forms" is a real brain-teaser, though.

[Barathos]

Eoxyn wrote:

Unarmed Strikes are a simple weapon.

Huh... so Druids take a -4 non-proficiency penalty when performing an unarmed strike.

[Eoxyn]

Barathos wrote:

Eoxyn wrote:

Unarmed Strikes are a simple weapon.

Huh... so Druids take a -4 non-proficiency penalty when performing an unarmed strike.

I love this goddamn game.

[Imbicatus]

Eoxyn wrote:

Unarmed Strikes are a simple weapon.

Unarmed strikes are unarmed strikes. They are not simple weapons. Every creature without a natural attack is proficient in them. They have their own section in the weapon table.

[chbgraphicarts]

Imbicatus wrote:

Eoxyn wrote:

Unarmed Strikes are a simple weapon.

Unarmed strikes are unarmed strikes. They are not simple weapons. Every creature without a natural attack is proficient in them. They have their own section in the weapon table.

I feel like the Rabbit at the beginning of Fiddler on the Roof, because you're both right

They are Simple Weapons that everyone is proficient with.

The PRD even backs this up

[BadBird]

What it comes down to is that you're trying to use a spell that specifically creates a new weapon to instead adjust a weapon that, by definition, already inherently exists. By RAW you could arguably create an 'unarmed strike' 'weapon' and go around hitting people with it, but it's kind of absurd. Other than that, there is no provision for using the spell to affect a weapon that already exists (and your unarmed strike already exists). You might as well be trying to use it on a longsword that already exists.

[Imbicatus]

Create a cestus with it if you want to hit something.

[James Risner]

Imbicatus wrote:

Create a cestus with it if you want to hit something.

I assume he wants Unarmed Strike dice not cestus dice.

[Dekalinder]

Clarly, 2 frozen Hands forms in your hands with witch you can slap your enemies.

[chbgraphicarts]

James Risner wrote:

I assume he wants Unarmed Strike dice not cestus dice.

Yes, this.

I'd love to see someone who's a Warpriest or Sacred Fist, who has no arms, Fervor-cast this spell, forming two fully-functioning ice-arms with which to beat faces in, ala Ming-Hua from Legend of Korra.

But not everyone has the luck of having missing appendages, so there's a bit of a disconnect as to what happens for "normies" with all their extremities still in tact yet forming an RAW-legal "Unarmed Strike" with this spell.

[LazarX]

Not all spells can fit all dieties.

I'd say call it a simple monk weapon, like a staff, and go with it.