Is there anything that says my mount and I have to charge the same creature? I know we're both charging per the FAQ, but if there's a creature behind a creature, can my horse charge the guy in front while I charge the guy in back--letting us end up in the same space and attacking?
edit: assuming I'm using a reach weapon such as a lance.
I think your first difficulty is declaring the guy in back as a legal target. IF you overcome that hurdle then I think you are golden, but expect table variation because it's not covered in the rules as far as I can tell.
I'd allow it in my games. You can see the targets, you don't move through Difficult Terrain, and you move to the closest square you can attack him from in a straight line.
I don't see any other reasons as to why you should be disallowed.
You'd both have to qualify as attacking from the nearest space available for each of the targets limiting opportunities to pull it off...
As per RAW, it technically constitutes as not having a straight line to your opponent, since the guy in front of him breaks it.
Movement during a charge wrote: You must have a clear path toward the opponent, and nothing can hinder your movement (such as difficult terrain or obstacles). You must move to the closest space from which you can attack the opponent. If this space is occupied or otherwise blocked, you can't charge. If any line from your starting space to the ending space passes through a square that blocks movement, slows movement, or contains a creature (even an ally), you can't charge. Helpless creatures don't stop a charge. EDIT: Eh, with a reach weapon, idk I will need to look at both the rules for reach weapons and mounted charging...I'll be back...
Welp, I believe this will solve the issue.
So it would seem this is completely viable for the following reason:
You are not the one charging, your mount is (It is using its action to charge) and you are just getting the penalty and bonus from it. So you could designate any target within reach as your attack target.
Movement during a charge wrote: You must have a clear path toward the opponent, and nothing can hinder your movement (such as difficult terrain or obstacles). You must move to the closest space from which you can attack the opponent. If this space is occupied or otherwise blocked, you can't charge. If any line from your starting space to the ending space passes through a square that blocks movement, slows movement, or contains a creature (even an ally), you can't charge. Helpless creatures don't stop a charge. Mounts in Combat wrote: Your mount acts on your initiative count as you direct it. You move at its speed, but the mount uses its action to move. Combat while Mounted wrote: If your mount charges, you also take the AC penalty associated with a charge. If you make an attack at the end of the charge, you receive the bonus gained from the charge. When charging on horseback, you deal double damage with a lance (see Charge).
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dragonhunterq wrote: I think your first difficulty is declaring the guy in back as a legal target. IF you overcome that hurdle then I think you are golden, but expect table variation because it's not covered in the rules as far as I can tell. reach weapon, probably a lance...
BigP4nda wrote: Welp, I believe this will solve the issue.
So it would seem this is completely viable for the following reason:
You are not the one charging, your mount is (It is using its action to charge) and you are just getting the penalty and bonus from it. So you could designate any target within reach as your attack target.
Movement during a charge wrote: You must have a clear path toward the opponent, and nothing can hinder your movement (such as difficult terrain or obstacles). You must move to the closest space from which you can attack the opponent. If this space is occupied or otherwise blocked, you can't charge. If any line from your starting space to the ending space passes through a square that blocks movement, slows movement, or contains a creature (even an ally), you can't charge. Helpless creatures don't stop a charge. Mounts in Combat wrote: Your mount acts on your initiative count as you direct it. You move at its speed, but the mount uses its action to move. Combat while Mounted wrote: If your mount charges, you also take the AC penalty associated with a charge. If you make an attack at the end of the charge, you receive the bonus gained from the charge. When charging on horseback, you deal double damage with a lance (see Charge).
That's, uh, not actually the rule anymore. They changed it in this FAQ.
Quote: Mounted Combat: When making a charge while mounted, which creature charges? The rider or the mount?
Both charge in unison, suffer the same penalty to AC, the gaining the same bonus to the attack rolls and following all other rules for the charge. The mounted combat rules are a little unclear on this. Replace the third paragraph under the "Combat while Mounted" section on page 202 with the following text. Note that a "mounted charge" is synonymous with a "charge while mounted," and that when a lance is "when used from the back of a charging mount" it is during a mounted charge not when only the mount charges.
A mounted charge is a charge made by you and your mount. During a mounted charge, you deal double damage with your first melee attack made with a lance or with any weapon if you have Spirited Charge (or a similar effect), or you deal triple damage with a lance and Spirited Charge.
This change will be reflected in future printings of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook
Jeff Merola wrote: That's, uh, not actually the rule anymore. They changed it in this FAQ.
Quote: Mounted Combat: When making a charge while mounted, which creature charges? The rider or the mount?
Both charge in unison, suffer the same penalty to AC, the gaining the same bonus to the attack rolls and following all other rules for the charge. The mounted combat rules are a little unclear on this. Replace the third paragraph under the "Combat while Mounted" section on page 202 with the following text. Note that a "mounted charge" is synonymous with a "charge while mounted," and that when a lance is "when used from the back of a charging mount" it
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Well then, I stand corrected, they really should update that on d20pfsrd...
Back to the drawing board.
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