Arcane deed + precise strike

[JT 671]

Hi ok so arcane deed reads as

'When a magus takes this arcana, he can pick any one deed from the swashbuckler class feature as long as that deed can be used by a swashbuckler of his magus level. The magus can use that deed by using points from his arcane pool as the panache points required for that deed. A magus can take this arcana multiple times, each time gaining a new deed.'

my question is does a magus gain his level to damage if he picks precise strike?

[Ashram]

RAI says yes, as most any magus arcana that gives magus another class feature (Such as hexes on Hexcrafter) are intended to be used as if the magus had an equivalent level of whatever the other class is.

RAW is silent due to bad wording, and could very easily be construed as no.

[JT 671]

so whats he ruling for PFS? i was thinking of making a magusbuckler but i'm not sure if they would rule i can get arcane deed precise strike

[MurphysParadox]

The ruling for PFS, when official FAQ/Errata is absent, is "depends on the specific GM's opinion." You could seek some answer from the local chapter's captain, but that isn't binding.

[RumpinRufus]

The strongest evidence is the Daring Champion archetype. Daring Champion specifically receives Precise Strike, yet similarly has no wording that explicitly allows him to use his cavalier level as swashbuckler levels. Yet clearly, granting him Precise Strike was intended to do something, and it would do nothing if he didn't count Cavalier levels as Swashbuckler levels for the purpose of the deed.

Similarly, it is generally assumed that the Magus as well is allowed to use his Magus levels if he takes Precise Strike.

[Cap. Darling]

Generally the game is made to work. So assuming stuff in the books make sense is a good place to start. But it is not always the case:(

[kestral287]

RAW is unclear and debatable. Clear it with your GM(s) first. Or, if you'd rather, talk to your VC about it.

[JT 671]

thanks for the help i'll ask around and see what the gm thinks

[Renlar]

Don't forget to mark the other thread for an FAQ!

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rdsm?Does-Precise-Strike-work-with-Arcane-Deed

[Angel Hunter D]

I was asking this earlier, and it looks like it should work.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ln8z?Can-a-Life-Oracle-with-Channeling-take#30

that post is from a guy who designed a few things in pathfinder, and it basically boils down to "if an ability has the same name it works the same way for everyone who has it." He was using channeling as a specific example, but i don't see why it wouldn't apply to precise strike and arcane deed. What I'm seeing there is that deeds should scale of magus level, even when it says "swashbuckler level" because "arcane deed" gives you a "deed" as a class feature, and since that class feature is given by something in your Magus class they scale off of Magus level

[_Ozy_]

Yes, that's how it should work for any reasonable interpretation.

Unfortunately, some people pride themselves on interpreting RAW unreasonably. ;)

[Shadowlord]

I have a Magus player in my game. I not only allow it, I pointed it out for him. It increases his striking power a good deal but I see no reason in RAW or RAI not to allow it. That said, your GM may feel differently.