Hi guys!
I have a question: the monsters are created considering that PCs have the gold/wealth needed for the encounter? For example, a group of 15 APL without magic item would be prepared for a encounter of CR 15?
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your post is in the Adventure Card Game forum. But maybe someone can help you anyways or a moderator can move your post.
Thank you for the advice, jones314.
Anyone can help me with the thread?
Thank you.
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Well, it's in the right place, now.
And the answers to your questions are:
Yes.
No.
Pathfinder assumes appropriate gear for PCs. Lacking that gear will severely limit the party's ability to deal with encounters. There aren't actually any hard and fast rules for what is an appropriate encounter for gearless parties, but a CR bump of at least 2 is in order.
So there's no hard and fast rule on this, the closest we have is the CR determination for NPCs. Giving an NPC PC wealth by level is +1 CR, so presumably you're only supposed to be behind by 1 APL (average party level) if you have NPC wealth by level. CR is a measure of how tough an opponent you are for a party of adventurers though so it's not the best comparison (it is the only one we have though). If you're talking zero wealth, that's much more complicated. And even with all that accounted for, unfortunately, it's still probably not accurate. Certain monsters have defenses, offenses, or abilities that are meant to be combated with specific magic items. Much of the determination has to be done on a case by case basis. Big dinosaur with no special abilities? Probably fine at +1-2 CR. All the outsiders? No. Just... no. Lots of magic, special forms, special attacks, DR, regeneration, it's a mess. Lemures, the lowest of the low, still have DR 5. Imps, at CR 2, have at-will invisibility and a poison.
The short answer is that the system is designed with certain benchmarks intended to be met. At higher levels these benchmarks include significant magic items.
If you want less magic items and not to have to adjust CR too much look for any of the "big six replacement" threads. The big six are the main culprits of magic items being factored into CR calculations, including them some other way should help alleviate the math problems somewhat. Still won't fix the issue of magic items patching weaknesses (martials using a magic item to fly/see invis/whatever).
So, let's take another example: an encounter of a party with 4 players at level 15th, but with the wealth of 13th will face a dragon of CR 15 with 6 mythic tier (final CR 18), in other words: an epic challenge. Is that reasonable? Why?
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13th level treasure is 140,000 gold, which is significantly more than NPCs of 15th level would have, but quite underpowered for PCs. So their APL will be somewhere closer to 14 than 15, which means a CR 18 encounter will hypothetically be a coin toss (though there will actually be an edge in the PCs favour). If this is the only encounter they face, they will walk it. If it's the third or fourth since their last rest, they're probably toast.
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SirPeter wrote: So, let's take another example: an encounter of a party with 4 players at level 15th, but with the wealth of 13th will face a dragon of CR 15 with 6 mythic tier (final CR 18), in other words: an epic challenge. Is that reasonable? Why?
Is this a theorectical problem, or are you having an issue with a Gamemaster?
The outcome of such an encounter can vary by a lot of factors, the party makeup, what GEAR that WBL represents, and the lethality of the GM.
An epic challenge is just that.... epic.It represents the pinnacle of risk, the climax of a campaign.
SirPeter wrote: So, let's take another example: an encounter of a party with 4 players at level 15th, but with the wealth of 13th will face a dragon of CR 15 with 6 mythic tier (final CR 18), in other words: an epic challenge. Is that reasonable? Why?
Well, mythic tiers are supposed to "Only" be half a cr per tier, but really they are closer to a full CR level in difficulty
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