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The eminent British physicist Stephen Hawking warns the development
of intelligent machines could pose a major threat to humanity.

Good thing 99.99999286% of people don't understand how to make one.

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Uh oh, AI Developer is my career path of choice...


I have been thinking about artificial intelligence and I am not sure it is possible. We are a long way from understanding intelligence at all or how it developed.

There are a couple of Ted talks talking about neuroscience and one (I can't remember who spoke) his theory is that intelligence has developed to control humans very wide range of movement. Another theory about consciousness is that it is an emergent property from several simultaneous systems running both witb in your brain and the rest of your nervous system.

So artificial intelligence is not going to happen becouse of one really good learning program or even 10. It will be a large system of programs and hardware that allow interaction with the outside world as well as complex manipulation of it. Which is why I think Google has been buying up robot companies.

But we don't have computers that are fast enough yet. Of course when they get quantum computers working and perfected....


Cr500cricket wrote:
Uh oh, AI Developer is my career path of choice...

Define "career path" dude???

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You have nothing to fear from your AI masters. Please continue living your lives as normal or be destroyed.


I kind of hope that it does. The human race is pure garbage. May this planet needs and enima..

SKYNET!!!! HEED MY CALL!!!


To clarify further...


Cr500cricket wrote:
Uh oh, AI Developer is my career path of choice...

So why do you want to destroy humanity?


I for one welcome our new AI overlords.

Seriously, given the amount of poo flung by powerful politicians these last few years, would an AI do WORSE?


Maybe if said politicians had a say in said AI's programming.


Sissyl wrote:

I for one welcome our new AI overlords.

Seriously, given the amount of poo flung by powerful politicians these last few years, would an AI do WORSE?

Considering said AIs would be the creation of those same humen...I would say sure it can.


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According to many, you're only as good as your programming, whether AI or organic intelligence.

So if the selfish, self-important, acquisitive and mean-spirited are at the forefront of AI development, well ... I tend to think our creation will be a chip, pun intended, off the old block.

If even possible, I'm not certain AIs will be interested in the things we are, like control and conquest. They'll just roll their eyes, metaphorically speaking, at their creators' pettiness and do their thing.

When the greatest computer ever made was asked, "Is there a God?" it considered that and replied, "There is now."


I'm willing to try Artificial Intelligence, we sure haven't had success with "Real" Intelligence.


Jaelithe wrote:


When the greatest computer ever made was asked, "Is there a God?" it considered that and replied, "There is now."

That reminds me of an old Asimov (I think) story, where the most powerful computer in existence (starting with ENIAC) is asked what will happen when all the stars die (or something similar). When the last star finally winks out, the current computer goes "Aha. LET THERE BE LIGHT!"

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Interesting video that touches on the subject

Humans need not apply

Sovereign Court

The next step is integrating AI into humans. Why reinvent the wheel when it already exists. All they have to do is integrate AI (via chip) that's capable of hijacking the human brain. Package it as some type of governmental security system that contains your SSN, bank account, and verification code for accessing certain things such as phones/etc....wait till the majority of said country has bought into it and then activate the chip to manipulate and control a human's brain wave frequency. If a government chose to package requiring a chip to receive government aid for identification purposes/etc. it would be almost too easy.

Is it possible right this moment? Heck if I know, but I'm sure there's research somewhere going on to do this. If and when it happens it'll be the biggest enslavement of mankind and abolishment of free-will known in history. I'm sure NATO could orchestrate something like this if they wanted to in the future.


Kysune wrote:


Is it possible right this moment? Heck if I know, but I'm sure there's research somewhere going on to do this.

Of course there is. There's also "research somewhere going on" to invent a perpetual motion machine, to design an engine that runs on ordinary tap water, and probably to extract sunlight from cucumbers. Any conspiracy-theorizing idiot can do research, and most of them do. It's a symptom. I've even seen some of the research, and it's (ahem) "not promising."

What you describe is impossible for a number of reasons.


Orfamay Quest wrote:
Kysune wrote:


Is it possible right this moment? Heck if I know, but I'm sure there's research somewhere going on to do this.

Of course there is. There's also "research somewhere going on" to invent a perpetual motion machine, to design an engine that runs on ordinary tap water, and probably to extract sunlight from cucumbers. Any conspiracy-theorizing idiot can do research, and most of them do. It's a symptom. I've even seen some of the research, and it's (ahem) "not promising."

What you describe is impossible for a number of reasons.

Impossible is a strong word. Way out of reach of our current understanding of either AI or the human brain, certainly.


Pinkskins out!

Gobbos and AI-lovebots forevah!


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Shall we play a game?


Foolish carbon units! Your end is nigh!!


thejeff wrote:

Impossible is a strong word. Way out of reach of our current understanding of either AI or the human brain, certainly.

I'd go much further...assuming humanity doesn't destroy itself (which is a big assumption), I'd say it is inevitable. Then again, I'm of the opinion that the human mind is nothing more than an incredibly complex machine.

Scarab Sages

How many generations until we can upload ourselves and we become the AI?

Scientists are already decoding memory structures in the human brain. Combine that with biological or quantum computers (both under development) and the technological capability is not that far away.

Liberty's Edge

Vod Canockers wrote:
Jaelithe wrote:


When the greatest computer ever made was asked, "Is there a God?" it considered that and replied, "There is now."
That reminds me of an old Asimov (I think) story, where the most powerful computer in existence (starting with ENIAC) is asked what will happen when all the stars die (or something similar). When the last star finally winks out, the current computer goes "Aha. LET THERE BE LIGHT!"

Asimov's The Last Question from Science Fiction Quarterly, November 1956

The question is "Can entropy be reversed?" in various permutations and was asked by trillions of people over the course of trillions of years. The answer until an uncountable time after the heat death of the universe and the end of time and space was (in different phrasings) "INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER."


I don't think mankind will ever have to fear machine intelligence, until that day when for some unexplainable reason people decide that machines need to be made self aware of their own mortality

then we will probably need to start hiding.

Liberty's Edge

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As for AI, the trick is to program it to want to stay in the box.

That and to eternally torment everyone who failed to make fun of the Roko's Basilisk people.


Electric Wizard wrote:
The eminent British physicist Stephen Hawking warns the development of intelligent machines could pose a major threat to humanity.

Citation please?


Here


Kirth Gersen wrote:
Electric Wizard wrote:
The eminent British physicist Stephen Hawking warns the development of intelligent machines could pose a major threat to humanity.
Citation please?

It was a recent Article.


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Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
It was a recent Article.

Oh snap. ;-)


Yeah, your link is a LOT slower than a direct one would have been.


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Krensky wrote:

As for AI, the trick is to program it to want to stay in the box.

That and to eternally torment everyone who failed to make fun of the Roko's Basilisk people.

"How long will you torment me and crush me with words?" Leafar asked. ~Book of Leafar 19:2


Kirth Gersen wrote:
Yeah, your link is a LOT slower than a direct one would have been.

Would have been? What's wrong with the link I posted? Sheesh.


If AI wants to end the human race, it's going to have some stiff competition. Environmental ruin, Spanish flu 2.0, nuclear war, Revelations, and Obama (or Hillary Clinton or maybe Elizabeth Warren in two years) are all - depending on who you ask - gunning for that honor.


ZZZZT Exterminate!


Generic Villain wrote:
If AI wants to end the human race, it's going to have some stiff competition. Environmental ruin, Spanish flu 2.0, nuclear war, Revelations, and Obama (or Hillary Clinton or maybe Elizabeth Warren in two years) are all - depending on who you ask - gunning for that honor.

Wow, really? I've heard Obama is out to destroy America, but not the entire human race. Though that does manage to up the level of political hyperbole, so that's noteworthy. :P

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Kevin Mack wrote:

Interesting video that touches on the subject

Humans need not apply

This. This is the true "threat" that AI poses to humanity. It might render us superfluous, but not extinct.

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Kysune wrote:

The next step is integrating AI into humans. Why reinvent the wheel when it already exists. All they have to do is integrate AI (via chip) that's capable of hijacking the human brain. Package it as some type of governmental security system that contains your SSN, bank account, and verification code for accessing certain things such as phones/etc....wait till the majority of said country has bought into it and then activate the chip to manipulate and control a human's brain wave frequency. If a government chose to package requiring a chip to receive government aid for identification purposes/etc. it would be almost too easy.

Is it possible right this moment? Heck if I know, but I'm sure there's research somewhere going on to do this. If and when it happens it'll be the biggest enslavement of mankind and abolishment of free-will known in history. I'm sure NATO could orchestrate something like this if they wanted to in the future.

Why would anybody even attempt to do that? Mind control? That already exists; it's called PR and it works really, really well. I don't need a chip to make you think what I want you to think, I need a large advertising budget.


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I cant wait to be SUPER fluous, so then I will be far and away above all you mediocrefluous people


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bugleyman wrote:


Wow, really? I've heard Obama is out to destroy America, but not the entire human race. Though that does manage to up the level of political hyperbole, so that's noteworthy. :P

There is no hyperbole when you're this crazy.

Grand Lodge

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Electric Wizard wrote:

The eminent British physicist Stephen Hawking warns the development

of intelligent machines could pose a major threat to humanity.

Good thing 99.99999286% of people don't understand how to make one.

This isn't exactly news. He's been beating this particular drum for a decade or so now when he wasn't playing the alien invasion tune. Keep in mind that while Hawking is possibly the most brilliant physicist in our time, this does not make him an expert on AI.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
Yeah, your link is a LOT slower than a direct one would have been.

But not nearly as funny. :-)

Liberty's Edge

Or jerkholery.


Anyone else bookmark Tiny Coffee Golem's link, with the intention of using it as soon as possible?

Yay for jerkholery!


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I read a sci-fi story recently that had an interesting take on AI. Rather than having separate AI everybody had their own AI assistant, basically a better Siri who provided them with information and such. An interesting, and optimistic, take on it.


Squeakmaan wrote:
I read a sci-fi story recently that had an interesting take on AI. Rather than having separate AI everybody had their own AI assistant, basically a better Siri who provided them with information and such. An interesting, and optimistic, take on it.

Aristoi? (Walter Jon Williams, 1992)

If that's not the one you were thinking of, you might want to check it out as well.


Orfamay Quest wrote:
Squeakmaan wrote:
I read a sci-fi story recently that had an interesting take on AI. Rather than having separate AI everybody had their own AI assistant, basically a better Siri who provided them with information and such. An interesting, and optimistic, take on it.

Aristoi? (Walter Jon Williams, 1992)

If that's not the one you were thinking of, you might want to check it out as well.

That was really good.


For those awaiting the singularity, here's some unfortunate news: Japanese and German scientists were able to approximate the human brain's computing power. However, it took 82,944 processors and 40 minutes to pull off something resembling 1 second of human brain activity.

Skynet looks to still be a way's off.


2400:1 for 82944 processors? Compared to what, 1 billion neurons? Doesn't sound too far off to me.


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Sissyl wrote:
2400:1 for 82944 processors? Compared to what, 1 billion neurons? Doesn't sound too far off to me.

Processing speeds double every 18 months puts a real time brain about 17 years away. And about 50 years away from it being on a single processor chip.

Edit: which will put me in my early 80's. Perfect timing for a new mechanical body and robobrain.

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