
The smitter |

I have been thinking about artificial intelligence and I am not sure it is possible. We are a long way from understanding intelligence at all or how it developed.
There are a couple of Ted talks talking about neuroscience and one (I can't remember who spoke) his theory is that intelligence has developed to control humans very wide range of movement. Another theory about consciousness is that it is an emergent property from several simultaneous systems running both witb in your brain and the rest of your nervous system.
So artificial intelligence is not going to happen becouse of one really good learning program or even 10. It will be a large system of programs and hardware that allow interaction with the outside world as well as complex manipulation of it. Which is why I think Google has been buying up robot companies.
But we don't have computers that are fast enough yet. Of course when they get quantum computers working and perfected....

Jaelithe |
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According to many, you're only as good as your programming, whether AI or organic intelligence.
So if the selfish, self-important, acquisitive and mean-spirited are at the forefront of AI development, well ... I tend to think our creation will be a chip, pun intended, off the old block.
If even possible, I'm not certain AIs will be interested in the things we are, like control and conquest. They'll just roll their eyes, metaphorically speaking, at their creators' pettiness and do their thing.
When the greatest computer ever made was asked, "Is there a God?" it considered that and replied, "There is now."

Vod Canockers |

When the greatest computer ever made was asked, "Is there a God?" it considered that and replied, "There is now."
That reminds me of an old Asimov (I think) story, where the most powerful computer in existence (starting with ENIAC) is asked what will happen when all the stars die (or something similar). When the last star finally winks out, the current computer goes "Aha. LET THERE BE LIGHT!"

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The next step is integrating AI into humans. Why reinvent the wheel when it already exists. All they have to do is integrate AI (via chip) that's capable of hijacking the human brain. Package it as some type of governmental security system that contains your SSN, bank account, and verification code for accessing certain things such as phones/etc....wait till the majority of said country has bought into it and then activate the chip to manipulate and control a human's brain wave frequency. If a government chose to package requiring a chip to receive government aid for identification purposes/etc. it would be almost too easy.
Is it possible right this moment? Heck if I know, but I'm sure there's research somewhere going on to do this. If and when it happens it'll be the biggest enslavement of mankind and abolishment of free-will known in history. I'm sure NATO could orchestrate something like this if they wanted to in the future.

Orfamay Quest |

Is it possible right this moment? Heck if I know, but I'm sure there's research somewhere going on to do this.
Of course there is. There's also "research somewhere going on" to invent a perpetual motion machine, to design an engine that runs on ordinary tap water, and probably to extract sunlight from cucumbers. Any conspiracy-theorizing idiot can do research, and most of them do. It's a symptom. I've even seen some of the research, and it's (ahem) "not promising."
What you describe is impossible for a number of reasons.

thejeff |
Kysune wrote:
Is it possible right this moment? Heck if I know, but I'm sure there's research somewhere going on to do this.Of course there is. There's also "research somewhere going on" to invent a perpetual motion machine, to design an engine that runs on ordinary tap water, and probably to extract sunlight from cucumbers. Any conspiracy-theorizing idiot can do research, and most of them do. It's a symptom. I've even seen some of the research, and it's (ahem) "not promising."
What you describe is impossible for a number of reasons.
Impossible is a strong word. Way out of reach of our current understanding of either AI or the human brain, certainly.

bugleyman |

Impossible is a strong word. Way out of reach of our current understanding of either AI or the human brain, certainly.
I'd go much further...assuming humanity doesn't destroy itself (which is a big assumption), I'd say it is inevitable. Then again, I'm of the opinion that the human mind is nothing more than an incredibly complex machine.

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Jaelithe wrote:That reminds me of an old Asimov (I think) story, where the most powerful computer in existence (starting with ENIAC) is asked what will happen when all the stars die (or something similar). When the last star finally winks out, the current computer goes "Aha. LET THERE BE LIGHT!"
When the greatest computer ever made was asked, "Is there a God?" it considered that and replied, "There is now."
Asimov's The Last Question from Science Fiction Quarterly, November 1956
The question is "Can entropy be reversed?" in various permutations and was asked by trillions of people over the course of trillions of years. The answer until an uncountable time after the heat death of the universe and the end of time and space was (in different phrasings) "INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER."

Tiny Coffee Golem |

Electric Wizard wrote:The eminent British physicist Stephen Hawking warns the development of intelligent machines could pose a major threat to humanity.Citation please?
It was a recent Article.

bugleyman |

If AI wants to end the human race, it's going to have some stiff competition. Environmental ruin, Spanish flu 2.0, nuclear war, Revelations, and Obama (or Hillary Clinton or maybe Elizabeth Warren in two years) are all - depending on who you ask - gunning for that honor.
Wow, really? I've heard Obama is out to destroy America, but not the entire human race. Though that does manage to up the level of political hyperbole, so that's noteworthy. :P

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The next step is integrating AI into humans. Why reinvent the wheel when it already exists. All they have to do is integrate AI (via chip) that's capable of hijacking the human brain. Package it as some type of governmental security system that contains your SSN, bank account, and verification code for accessing certain things such as phones/etc....wait till the majority of said country has bought into it and then activate the chip to manipulate and control a human's brain wave frequency. If a government chose to package requiring a chip to receive government aid for identification purposes/etc. it would be almost too easy.
Is it possible right this moment? Heck if I know, but I'm sure there's research somewhere going on to do this. If and when it happens it'll be the biggest enslavement of mankind and abolishment of free-will known in history. I'm sure NATO could orchestrate something like this if they wanted to in the future.
Why would anybody even attempt to do that? Mind control? That already exists; it's called PR and it works really, really well. I don't need a chip to make you think what I want you to think, I need a large advertising budget.

Generic Villain |

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The eminent British physicist Stephen Hawking warns the development
of intelligent machines could pose a major threat to humanity.Good thing 99.99999286% of people don't understand how to make one.
This isn't exactly news. He's been beating this particular drum for a decade or so now when he wasn't playing the alien invasion tune. Keep in mind that while Hawking is possibly the most brilliant physicist in our time, this does not make him an expert on AI.

Orfamay Quest |

I read a sci-fi story recently that had an interesting take on AI. Rather than having separate AI everybody had their own AI assistant, basically a better Siri who provided them with information and such. An interesting, and optimistic, take on it.
Aristoi? (Walter Jon Williams, 1992)
If that's not the one you were thinking of, you might want to check it out as well.

thejeff |
Squeakmaan wrote:I read a sci-fi story recently that had an interesting take on AI. Rather than having separate AI everybody had their own AI assistant, basically a better Siri who provided them with information and such. An interesting, and optimistic, take on it.Aristoi? (Walter Jon Williams, 1992)
If that's not the one you were thinking of, you might want to check it out as well.
That was really good.

Generic Villain |
For those awaiting the singularity, here's some unfortunate news: Japanese and German scientists were able to approximate the human brain's computing power. However, it took 82,944 processors and 40 minutes to pull off something resembling 1 second of human brain activity.
Skynet looks to still be a way's off.

BigDTBone |
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2400:1 for 82944 processors? Compared to what, 1 billion neurons? Doesn't sound too far off to me.
Processing speeds double every 18 months puts a real time brain about 17 years away. And about 50 years away from it being on a single processor chip.
Edit: which will put me in my early 80's. Perfect timing for a new mechanical body and robobrain.