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I noticed that you can run an Adventure Path at home using home-rules and then give out Chronicle Sheets as if they had played pregens.
How would you apply that credit for the chronicles that exist for the level 12+ "modules" I thought characters retire at 12... or is this future planning?
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PFS Characters used to retire at 12 level. Now they can progress beyond 12 level. Once a PFS character reaches 12 level he gets the title Seeker.
Yes If you are playing an adventure path on "campaign mode", namely at home with your own house rules, you can get PFS credit. Once you complete a sanctioned section of the AP, you can then apply that chronicle sheet to either an existing or new PFS character.
Now, you can get PFS credit for 12" level play. there are a few modules, and sanctioned parts of an AP that you can use.
If you are applying 12+ chronicles to characters you can A) you apply them to an existing PFS character. Possibility B) you create a new PFS character.
I hope this helps.
Venture-Captain, Minnesota
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Can you split the chronicle sheets amongst two characters, or can it only be applied to a single character? I ask because Bret and I are in a home game of Emerald Spire, and by the time we finish, the characters in that game will likely be beyond level 12. If I was going to apply credit to a new character, I would love to be able to play that character in a PFS game.
Hmm
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You needn't apply all the Chronicles from an AP to the same character.
In the case of Emerald Spire, which has 16 different Chronicle Sheets (17, technically), you could apply one to each of 16 different characters.
Though, after you read the first one, you'll see the "incentive" of applying them all to one character.
If you want one character to go through the entire Spire, and still do other PFS scenarios, you're going to have to play on slow track for at least a few levels.
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Can you split the chronicle sheets amongst two characters, or can it only be applied to a single character? I ask because Bret and I are in a home game of Emerald Spire, and by the time we finish, the characters in that game will likely be beyond level 12. If I was going to apply credit to a new character, I would love to be able to play that character in a PFS game.
Hmm
You do know there's no campaign mode for Emerald Spire right?
If you want PFS credit you have to play it with PFS characters.
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You needn't apply all the Chronicles from an AP to the same character.
In the case of Emerald Spire, which has 16 different Chronicle Sheets (17, technically), you could apply one to each of 16 different characters.
Yeah, I suppose, if you had a different character in each level band. Why would you want to play each level with a different character?
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Yeah, I suppose, if you had a different character in each level band. Why would you want to play each level with a different character?You needn't apply all the Chronicles from an AP to the same character.
In the case of Emerald Spire, which has 16 different Chronicle Sheets (17, technically), you could apply one to each of 16 different characters.
Because you are playing it with different groups of players, with a different "need" each level for your PC to fulfill?
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Okay, sure. If you have 16 characters across 14 levels and wanted to play each level with a different, PFS legal, character you could.
You could also play a PFS legal pregen for some of the levels and apply credit to a new 1st level PC. The highest level legal pregens are level 7, so you wouldn't be able to play the highest levels unless you had a "real" character, which isn't as likely if you're assigning credit to 16 different characters.
But yeah, I suppose someone, somewhere, might want to do that.
Or maybe, just maybe, I was making a reference to the fact that the Spire can't be played in AP mode, and you have to assign credit to the legal character that you play in each level. This thread was started by someone who still believes there are no high level play options, what, three seasons after that change? Forgive me for not taking your rules knowledge for granted.
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I'm in the middle of GMing Emerald Spire for a party of 5. They want to take the same characters through every level down to the bottom, then do Eyes of the Ten.
I, on the other hand, don't want to apply all that GM credit to the same character. If I did, I'd be left with a 14th level GM Blob that will have never seen the light of day.
It made much more sense, to me, to scatter the credit amongst my other characters. Most are only receiving a single level of credit.
So I am the "someone, somewhere that wants to do that" =\
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I'm in the middle of GMing Emerald Spire for a party of 5. They want to take the same characters through every level down to the bottom, then do Eyes of the Ten.
I, on the other hand, don't want to apply all that GM credit to the same character. If I did, I'd be left with a 14th level GM Blob that will have never seen the light of day.
It made much more sense, to me, to scatter the credit amongst my other characters. Most are only receiving a single level of credit.
So I am the "someone, somewhere that wants to do that" =\
If they play the final few levels of Emerald Spire, they wont be able to do Eyes. You have to be at exactly 33xp to start it, and cant play anything else in the middle of it.
If you mean just for kicks, sure, go for it, but I dont think theres a way to do it all for actual PFS credit on the same character.
Haven't decided yet, but I was thinking about GM'ing Emerald Spire then applying all the GM credits on the slow track. So then I'd only be 7th level. That would be a way to get a mystic theurge past the really painful levels and into the just hideously difficult levels.
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If you mean just for kicks, sure, go for it, but I dont think theres a way to do it all for actual PFS credit on the same character.They would have to slow track through eight of the levels, if I counted right. I'll have to sit down with a spreadsheet to confirm it.
You already have to slow track through 8 levels of it to be able to play them all on the same character. The sheet that comes in the chronicle download shows which levels should be slow tracked to do them all to hit 13 at the end (levels 4,5, and 10-15).
I guess if you slow tracked all of those, plus 9 and 16, you could end exactly at 33xp, though.
Im actually GMing a group through it right now. I might make that suggestion to them as well, so they can do this same option. Hmmm.
Friend just told me you can't slow track all of it as you will end up out of tier for parts of it and you can't do out of tier for GM credit. Is he correct?
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I've worked out a progression that I think works, but I would need another pair of eyes to make sure I got it right. Link if you want to look.
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Friend just told me you can't slow track all of it as you will end up out of tier for parts of it and you can't do out of tier for GM credit. Is he correct?
Not all of it, no. There are 16 levels ending with for level 13, so it looks like youd need to Slow track 8-10 depending on what level you start out as, and what level you want to end on.
Friend just told me you can't slow track all of it as you will end up out of tier for parts of it and you can't do out of tier for GM credit. Is he correct?Not all of it, no. There are 16 levels ending with for level 13, so it looks like youd need to Slow track 8-10 depending on what level you start out as, and what level you want to end on.
For me it would be all GM credit trying to end as low level as I could legally manage so that I would still be able to play the character a little bit.
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I'm in the middle of GMing Emerald Spire for a party of 5. They want to take the same characters through every level down to the bottom, then do Eyes of the Ten.
I, on the other hand, don't want to apply all that GM credit to the same character. If I did, I'd be left with a 14th level GM Blob that will have never seen the light of day.
It made much more sense, to me, to scatter the credit amongst my other characters. Most are only receiving a single level of credit.
So I am the "someone, somewhere that wants to do that" =\
If they play the final few levels of Emerald Spire, they wont be able to do Eyes. You have to be at exactly 33xp to start it, and cant play anything else in the middle of it.
If you mean just for kicks, sure, go for it, but I dont think theres a way to do it all for actual PFS credit on the same character.
You can do all of Emerald Spire and end at exactly 33xp.
You play the 6 floors before the last on slow track, then the last at 30xp, and you'll be level 12.
Thanks for all the info!
I see your name is that Lo cutous of Borg?
Yup! He was going to be my Android for Iron Gods, though the campaign didn't make it past the first organizational meeting.
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Agreed.Sixteen dungeon levels at 3xp a piece = 48xp.
30xp divided by 3 = 10 dungeon levels.
6 dungeon levels at 1.5xp = 9xp.
30 - 9 = 21xp
21xp / 3 = 7 dungeon levels.
You'd have to skip two dungeon levels to be at 30xp for the 16th level.
No offense, because I think highly of both of you, but you are terrible at math.
There are 16 floors.
If you slow tracked them all, that's only 8 character level's worth of content. Plenty of room to sprinkle anything else.
Or play a floor on regular track.
I have 5 players that have mapped out their progression. If you couldn't get through the entire Spire, I'm sure one of them would've noticed.
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The only disagreement I have is that you can slow track only 6 levels and still end at 12th level.
If my math is wrong, please show me where.
Edit: Ah, now I see. You meant that there would be other scenarios beside Emerald Spire. The original question was about playing JUST Emerald Spire, then Eyes.
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The only disagreement I have is that you can slow track only 6 levels and still end at 12th level.
If my math is wrong, please show me where.
Edit: Ah, now I see. You meant that there would be other scenarios beside Emerald Spire. The original question was about playing JUST Emerald Spire, then Eyes.
As pointed out, I think you got a bit confused.
Slow tracking 6 levels of Emerald Spire would still be worth 3 levels worth of XP, as it is 1.5 XP per level, not the .5 you would get from scenarios. 6 scenarios at slow would be only 1 level advancement.
And Emerald Spire has 10 other levels, so that comes to 13 levels worth of XP, which is 36 XP, and not in range for Eyes.
You have to get 12 levels worth of XP in 16 levels of dungeon, all worth a level of XP.
33 XP, divided amongst 16 levels.
6 slow levels is worth 9 XP, or 3 levels, which leaves 8 levels for the other 10 levels.
10 slow levels would be worth 15 XP, or 5 levels, leaving 6 levels for the other 6 levels, leaving your players setup at the right total to play Eyes.
Level 1: 1-2 (1)
Level 2: 1-3 (2)
Level 3: 2-4 (3)
Level 4: 3-5* (4)
Level 5: 3-5* (4)
Level 6: 4-6 (5)
Level 7: 5-7 (6)
Level 8: 6-8 (7)
Level 9: 7-9 (8)
Level 10: 8-10* (9)
Level 11: 8-10* (9)
Level 12: 9-11* (10)
Level 13: 9-11* (10)
Level 14: 10-12* (11)
Level 15: 10-12* (11)
Level 16: 11-13 (12)
Paizo recommended slow levels are *, which is setup to get your PCs to 13th level at the end.
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Check my link above for what I worked out. I'll go test out your theory.
Edit: Yeah, no. Still need to slow track more than that.
I see what the confusion is.
You're thinking I'm saying that you only need to slow track 6 floors.
I am not.
Look at the level range for the last floor. You can't play it any earlier than level 11. You must be level 11 to play it. Playing the last floor, at level 11, will get you to level 12. You will then be at 33xp, and ready for Eyes of the Ten.
Now look at the 6 floors prior. Their level ranges are 8-10, 8-10, 9-11, 9-11, 10-12, and 10-12. You can't start floors 10 or 11 before level 8. You can't start floors 12 or 13 before level 9. And you can't start floors 14 or 15 before level 10.
Ergo, if you wish to have a character complete Emerald Spire at 33xp, and then have them move on to Eyes of the Ten, they not only must play the 16th floor at level 11, they must also slow track the 6 floors prior.
That's all I was saying.
Ok, so say I am GM'ing this all on slow track so I get some time to play the PC along the way.
When the group does level 4, my GM credit PC would only be level 2. So (A) I can not immediately apply the level 4 chronicle sheet to him because he is not 'in tier'. Correct?
So: Do I (B) need to stop GM'ing ES until I get a few player credits to bring him up to level 3?
Or can I (C) keep GM'ing and sometime later, play him as a level 2 PC until I get a few player sheets to bring him to level 3. Then they would be applied to the character before the level 4 ES sheet even though it was run prior?
Option (B) is doable, but kind of a pain. Option (C) is what I would much prefer.
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Ergo, if you wish to have a character complete Emerald Spire at 33xp, and then have them move on to Eyes of the Ten, they not only must play the 16th floor at level 11, they must also slow track the 6 floors prior.
That's all I was saying.
And all I was saying is that you can't slow track only those six levels and still only use Emerald Spire content to advance the character.
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I understand what you've been saying.
You're interjecting the word "only".
That's what's causing this disconnect.
To be fair, before you joined the conversation, it was already about the number of levels needed to be slow tracked to get to 12. Then you join with 'I can do it with 6 slow tracked levels'. Of course we assumed 'only' was meant to be part of it.
Even if thats a mistake on our part, you saying it can be done in 6, when you mean this part over here in 6, but that other part in 2, thats a very strange way for you to word it.
I hate when threads break down to grammar conversations! :P
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Just jumping on with a semi-related question...
If my friends and I wanted to play a PFS approved final book of an AP (levels 15-17) (only the final book, we don't have time to sit through the entire adventure) is there any way to be able to do that without playing through everything?
And if we did do that, is there a way that the GM can report the game so he can move closer to getting more stars?
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Just jumping on with a semi-related question...
If my friends and I wanted to play a PFS approved final book of an AP (levels 15-17) (only the final book, we don't have time to sit through the entire adventure) is there any way to be able to do that without playing through everything?
And if we did do that, is there a way that the GM can report the game so he can move closer to getting more stars?
If you plan to do the entire adventure you aren't bound by the rules of the Pathfinder Society Organized Play campaign.
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You can run individual, sanctioned AP books for credit as though the sanctioned portion were a module. And you can do this in campaign mode or Normal PFS credit mode.
Note, however, if you are running only the PFS sanctioned portion of the AP book, and the Tier of the section is higher then 7-9, you need to do it with 4-6 actual PFS PCs in the level range, as there are no PFS approved pregens higher in level than 7.
Caveat: You will lose, however, much of the flavor of the whole AP, along with whatever part of the book you are playing the PFS sanctioned portion of, as, nominally, none of the rest of it is legal to play with a PFS PC.