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Why would the Hurtful feat alter your attack bonus?
Hurtful (Combat)
You know how to add injury to insult.
Prerequisite(s): Str 13, Power Attack.
Benefit(s): When you successfully demoralize an opponent within your melee reach with an Intimidate check, you can make a single melee attack against that creature as a swift action. If your attack fails to damage the target, its shaken condition from being demoralized immediately ends.
It's a single melee attack - same as you'd get with an Attack of Opportunity.
I use power attack which at this point reduces those to 14/9 respectively
I successfully intimidate my opponent so use a swift action to get another attack...
what is that attack resovled as? +16? +11? +14? +9? or something else?
14. Your first two suggestions seem to be working with the assumption that this extra attack isn't a power attack, but you've already power attacked, and the bonuses and penalties for that last for the rest of the round.
Would This feat trigger if blistering invective was cast?
Blistering Invective-
You unleash an insulting tirade so vicious and spiteful that enemies who hear it are physically scorched by your fury. When you cast this spell, make an Intimidate check to demoralize each enemy within 30 feet of you. Enemies that are demoralized this way take 1d10 points of fire damage and must succeed at a Reflex save or catch fire. Spell Resistance can negate the fire damage caused by this spell, but does not protect the creature from the demoralizing effect.
Sure, if one of the demoralised targets are within your reach.
Sure, if one of the demoralised targets are within your reach.
Huh that sounds like a fun low level combo
A better question is:
Can this feat be combined with the Enforcer, and be used as part of an AoO?
You can't use a swift action outside of your turn.
But if the AOO happens on your turn for some reason, I guess that'd be possible?
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A better question is:
Can this feat be combined with the Enforcer, and be used as part of an AoO?
You can't use a swift action outside of your turn.
But if the AOO happens on your turn for some reason, I guess that'd be possible?
Well, there is this FAQ, and you can use a Swift action whenever you can use a free action, so, it could possibly work.
Well, there is this FAQ, and you can use a Swift action whenever you can use a free action, so, it could possibly work.A better question is:
Can this feat be combined with the Enforcer, and be used as part of an AoO?
You can't use a swift action outside of your turn.
But if the AOO happens on your turn for some reason, I guess that'd be possible?
Interesting... The FAQ doesn't explicitly say that the free intimidate from Enforcer / Cornugon Smash can be taken off turn, but it's not a huge leap of logic to say that they can.
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but if you can make swift actions at any point... what is the point of an immediate action? Immediate actions work exactly the same as a swift action but can be taken out of turn specifically.
Not exactly.
You can take a Swift action, any time you could take a free action.
Most free actions can only be done on your turn, with exceptions like talking.
The linked FAQ notes that some other free actions can be taken as part of an attack of opportunity, such as Grab, Trip, Pull, and Push.
So, it may be, that other free actions can be used as part of an attack of opportunity, such as the noted Enforcer feat, and the Hurtful feat, triggered by the Enforcer feat.
Do you understand now?
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You can take a Swift action, any time you could take a free action.
Source? ah wait, found it myself...interesting
The linked FAQ notes that some other free actions can be taken as part of an attack of opportunity, such as Grab, Trip, Pull, and Push.
The FAQ does not say "such as", it included an exhaustive list of free actions that can be done out of turn. They are likely to expand this list as time goes on but since they included no language that indicates that the current list goes beyond those that were mentioned in the FAQs then currently those are all we have.
You can take a Swift action, any time you could take a free action.
Source?ah wait, found it myself...interestingThe FAQ does not say "such as", it included an exhaustive list of free actions that can be done out of turn. They are likely to expand this list as time goes on but since they included no language that indicates that the current list goes beyond those that were mentioned in the FAQs then currently those are all we have.
The linked FAQ notes that some other free actions can be taken as part of an attack of opportunity, such as Grab, Trip, Pull, and Push.
Although there is a pattern to this list -- they are all triggered actions that would be pointless if you could not do them on somebody else's turn. That is definitely a point to keep in mind for home games.
Just checking, is the Hurtful feat legal for PFS?
Thanks BBT!
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Friendly reminder of the Blade of Mercy trait which would be splendid for the Enforcer-Hurtful combo. :)
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Absolutely Blade of Mercy would work! I'm looking at a slayer (deliverer) of Sarenrae who can start off at level 1 with Hurtful and Power Attack. Standard practice is to demoralize foes in melee as a standard and then get my attack anyway thanks to Hurtful. At level 3 I can grab Enforcer to get two attacks a round as long as the first hits!
All non-lethal, so it's not a good thing to hit undead with. On the other hand, the deliverer can eventually heap on some nasty damage bonuses against creatures who are opposed to its alignment, so it should be solid against most things.