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Does the new Faq about ability scores as sources make fortitude saves of published undead antipaladins illegal or does the creature's stats thrumps the faq?
for example:
The stats does seem indicate there is a way of how stats and double dipping used to work, and somehow that changed. If this is true the indicated fortitude saves should be illegal or else the faq of of stats as sources may require a more complex clarification.
Honestly, I think this thread should expand the question to include other instances of "replace+add" interactions, especially those that offer no option to use or not use said ability.
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Honestly, I think this thread should expand the question to include other instances of "replace+add" interactions, especially those that offer no option to use or not use said ability.
In general i think so too but it may be too much to ask.
In general, Mark has said the add+replace is a no go, which also is exemplified on the thread i linked. This has been stated this is the way it has always worked. The undead antipaladin case is, however, a direct contradiction to this kind of tought, hence the reason for this thread.
Players won't ever be playing an undead antipaladin. I would say to keep it as an exception for these purposes only. The idea of a foe whose charisma boosts his HP and all his saves should strike terror into the hearts of mortal men.
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Players won't ever be playing an undead antipaladin. I would say to keep it as an exception for these purposes only. The idea of a foe whose charisma boosts his HP and all his saves should strike terror into the hearts of mortal men.
Actually thats not true, way of the wicked exists. But even if players dont play it, dms do use it.
If it does work as an exception it would be an interesting precedent for replace+add interactions. In any case a clarification would be helpful
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Yeah i know it doesnt work. Should it work like that? probably no. This is the same way it was for dragon ferocity which became nonfunctional until a follow up faq was issued. Altought undead paladin are a very corner case
There are at least 5 of them in Paizo books. At this point, I'm wondering if there are more undead antipaladins than living ones.
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Yes. It does.
They will not respond to this or they will errata it because it would make them look thoughtless in errataing the ability score stacking issue.
Oh, it's not an errata, it's a clarification. The rules always worked like this. Just like Flurry of Blows always required two different weapons. We have always been at war with Eurasia.
Just an FYI:
Should I put "FAQ request" or “Designer response needed” in my post or thread?
No.
Doing so suggests that your post or thread is more “worthy” of staff attention than someone else’s thread which doesn’t include this text.
Also, because having more FAQ clicks doesn’t make a thread more likely to be answered, doing this to encourage more FAQ clicks doesn’t help you.
Finally, most people insisting they need a designer or developer to weigh in with an official answer are in a situation where they’re disagreeing with the GM or another player and one side refuses to budge unless they get an official response from Paizo, and Paizo doesn’t want to encourage that sort of heavy-handedness.
Players won't ever be playing an undead antipaladin. I would say to keep it as an exception for these purposes only. The idea of a foe whose charisma boosts his HP and all his saves should strike terror into the hearts of mortal men.What is way of the wicked
A third party adventure path in which the players are actually the "evil ones" (literally).
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Just an FYI:
Should I put "FAQ request" or “Designer response needed” in my post or thread?
No.
Doing so suggests that your post or thread is more “worthy” of staff attention than someone else’s thread which doesn’t include this text.
Also, because having more FAQ clicks doesn’t make a thread more likely to be answered, doing this to encourage more FAQ clicks doesn’t help you.
Finally, most people insisting they need a designer or developer to weigh in with an official answer are in a situation where they’re disagreeing with the GM or another player and one side refuses to budge unless they get an official response from Paizo, and Paizo doesn’t want to encourage that sort of heavy-handedness.
Ill try to remember this next time.
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I see this issue is not going away. Eventually a more lengthy FAQ or blog answer will be needed.
I'm running into a similar problem in this thread, and would very much like an official response on the matter.
There's just no way I can believe that they would intentionally invalidate their own builds and release a no-stacking FAQ that actually LOWERS values rather than maintaining them.
Surely when an ability score replaces another ability score (as opposed to adding to it) it should still stack, right?