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I don't know how RAW works EXACTLY, but it says "weapons" made out of adamantine are always masterwork. Presumably a hunk of adamantine is not 'a crafted weapon.' Instead it is a hunk of stone that you, through a supermatural ability, can huck at people. I don't think it can be made masterwork unless you turn it into an actual weapon.
For example, if you are an empty hand monk (the one that uses improvised weapons) and you pick up an adamantine table leg (the how or why of an adamantine table leg existing I'll leave up to your imagination), it is not considered masterwork because it is not a crafted weapon, you are just using it as a weapon because of your special monk abilities.
A rock is a rock.
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A chunk of adamantium is not a rock. But i don't think you need a MW weapon to use Divine Bond.
A rock is an improvised weapon, no? So improvised weapons can't be masterwork. An adamantine skillet may have a benefit in cooking sausages, but it does not grant +1 to hit when used as a weapon.
EDIT: Ninja'd 10 minutes ago! Man, my skim-reading has suffered. I blame old age.
But a rock is NOT a weapon, and so doesn't qualify for the divine bond class feature.
a rock is a weapon and deals 2d4, no reason why it can't be enchanted and then bonded.
a rock is a weapon and deals 2d4, no reason why it can't be enchanted and then bonded.
Agreed, a rock in the hands of a rock thrower is certainly a weapon. I've read the PFS Guide to Organized Play, and haven't found any society-specific definition of "weapon".
There is a good reason to say it can't be enchanted; that is, turned into the kind thing called a magic weapon, that has a permanent enhancement bonus, and that's the lack of Masterwork Weapon status.
HOWEVER, Divine Bond, Arcane Bond etc are abilities that give an enhancement bonus to a weapon; they do not require a masterwork weapon to function.
"A masterwork weapon is a finely crafted version of a normal weapon. "
not sure why a rock couldn't be finely crafted, for instance golf balls have divots so they will fly further. I would probably even rule that the rock in this circumstance is a weapon and not ammunition (ruling it as ammunition destroys the combo, and throwing a rock for 2d4 certainly isn't game breaking or even odd, rocks were probably the first weapons really).
"You can hurl rocks up to two categories smaller than
your own size. The range increment for a rock is 20 feet,
and you can hurl it up to 5 range increments. Damage for a
hurled rock is 2d4 for a Medium creature or 2d3 for a Small
creature, plus 1-1/2 your Strength bonus."
it acts like a weapon, does damage like a weapon, has a range increment like a weapon, seems like a weapon to me.
The 1.5 str suggests it is also a two-handed thrown weapon.
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If I have Throw Anything I can huck a great sword like a thrown weapon, it does damage like a thrown weapon, a range increment like a thrown weapon. But it doesn't actually magically change the greatsword into a thrown weapon. Just as Rock Throwing does not magically change a rock into a normal weapon. It remains an improvised weapon, but the rock thrower just gains the ability to use it more effectively.
"You can hurl rocks up to two categories smaller than
your own size. The range increment for a rock is 20 feet,
and you can hurl it up to 5 range increments. Damage for a
hurled rock is 2d4 for a Medium creature or 2d3 for a Small
creature, plus 1-1/2 your Strength bonus."it acts like a weapon, does damage like a weapon, has a range increment like a weapon, seems like a weapon to me.
The 1.5 str suggests it is also a two-handed thrown weapon.
Just because a feat lets you treat a non-weapon like a weapon doesn't make the non-weapon actually a weapon. Catch Off Guard lets me use a wooden chair as a club; I make an attack roll with it like a weapon, it is considered to have a threat range like a weapon. However, it is not a weapon.
Well, Ultimately DarkestSoul, you should ask the people you play PFS with, I would certainly allow it but my opinion doesn't really matter to you in this context.
As for feats allowing this or that to be like a weapon, yeah I would allow characters with that feat to spend resources to enchant a chair or give a sword 'returning' (see thor's hammer) if they really wanted it.
Many of the rules revolve around combat naturally, but it would only make sense if there were magical chairs (perhaps a bar invests in chairs that cast mending on themselves once a day) and the like in the world, what else would I do with magic if not make myself more comfortable.
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Well, Ultimately DarkestSoul, you should ask the people you play PFS with, I would certainly allow it but my opinion doesn't really matter to you in this context.
That is probably best, if the group you regularly play PFS with is cool with it then go for it, but don't count on it. But just remember that it is unlikely to be allowed at most tables and you don't want a situation where a PFS Gm doesn't let you play because you are playing an illegal character.
As for feats allowing this or that to be like a weapon, yeah I would allow characters with that feat to spend resources to enchant a chair or give a sword 'returning' (see thor's hammer) if they really wanted it.
I actually agree, if you have a feat that lets you treat an improvised weapon as a normal weapon I too would allow it, but under two conditions: 1) YOU need to be the one enchanting it. Since that wizard at the city you usually pay to enchant your items is unlikely capable of using a chair as a weapon like you are, then he is unable to enchant it like one. But YOU could. 2) The enchanted improvised weapon can only be wielded by characters with the ability to use them as normal weapons too. UMD would naturally be able to bypass this.
Many of the rules revolve around combat naturally, but it would only make sense if there were magical chairs (perhaps a bar invests in chairs that cast mending on themselves once a day) and the like in the world, what else would I do with magic if not make myself more comfortable.
...but to be fair, a flaming burst chair is unlikely to be something made to make you comfortable ;)
Many of the rules revolve around combat naturally, but it would only make sense if there were magical chairs (perhaps a bar invests in chairs that cast mending on themselves once a day) and the like in the world, what else would I do with magic if not make myself more comfortable....but to be fair, a flaming burst chair is unlikely to be something made to make you comfortable ;)
Very true, perhaps my next devil will keep a few in her manor, to stave off cold, wintry nights.