The Legend of Korra Book 4: Balance ***Spoilers***


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Don't forget, the first episode premiers this Friday on Nick.com!


I will be watching.


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Isn't this supposed to be the final season?


atheral wrote:
Isn't this supposed to be the final season?

Yes :,(

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All things come to an end.


I am sure that somethign else is in the works. I hope.


I saw some articles saying that the creators were done with Avatar after Korra as they've been brunt out on it. 10 years of Avatar is a lot and they want to do something else. Though they're not saying no to returning to Avatar in the future, or letting someone else take the reigns.

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Has anybody ever published RPG rules for the Avatar universe?


I can't wait for season 4 and I am sad that this will be the last season.


I would like to see a show or movie where in a future cycle Vatu/Unalaq reappears. The Avatar then has to investigate and deal the cult the Dark Avatar has set up.

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Tels wrote:
I saw some articles saying that the creators were done with Avatar after Korra as they've been brunt out on it. 10 years of Avatar is a lot and they want to do something else. Though they're not saying no to returning to Avatar in the future, or letting someone else take the reigns.

I personally feel that Avatar should be laid to rest with Korra. They've told a wide scope of stories, advanced the world. The last thing I want to see is another generation of Avatar with spaceships.


LazarX wrote:
Tels wrote:
I saw some articles saying that the creators were done with Avatar after Korra as they've been brunt out on it. 10 years of Avatar is a lot and they want to do something else. Though they're not saying no to returning to Avatar in the future, or letting someone else take the reigns.
I personally feel that Avatar should be laid to rest with Korra. They've told a wide scope of stories, advanced the world. The last thing I want to see is another generation of Avatar with spaceships.

I agree on the future generations of Avatar as it would be weird to try and do Avatar in space or something. Though I would not be opposed to mini-series detailing the adventures of past Avatars. Perhaps something like a 3-part series of hour long episodes detailing something like Koh the Face Stealer, or Avatar Kyoshi etc.

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Tels wrote:
I saw some articles saying that the creators were done with Avatar after Korra as they've been brunt out on it. 10 years of Avatar is a lot and they want to do something else. Though they're not saying no to returning to Avatar in the future, or letting someone else take the reigns.

Not saying no is not equivalent to saying yes.


LazarX wrote:
Tels wrote:
I saw some articles saying that the creators were done with Avatar after Korra as they've been brunt out on it. 10 years of Avatar is a lot and they want to do something else. Though they're not saying no to returning to Avatar in the future, or letting someone else take the reigns.
I personally feel that Avatar should be laid to rest with Korra. They've told a wide scope of stories, advanced the world. The last thing I want to see is another generation of Avatar with spaceships.

pah. The storyline should continue to move forward.

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Freehold DM wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Tels wrote:
I saw some articles saying that the creators were done with Avatar after Korra as they've been brunt out on it. 10 years of Avatar is a lot and they want to do something else. Though they're not saying no to returning to Avatar in the future, or letting someone else take the reigns.
I personally feel that Avatar should be laid to rest with Korra. They've told a wide scope of stories, advanced the world. The last thing I want to see is another generation of Avatar with spaceships.
pah. The storyline should continue to move forward.

One can only make so many trips to the well.

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LazarX wrote:
Tels wrote:
I saw some articles saying that the creators were done with Avatar after Korra as they've been brunt out on it. 10 years of Avatar is a lot and they want to do something else. Though they're not saying no to returning to Avatar in the future, or letting someone else take the reigns.
I personally feel that Avatar should be laid to rest with Korra. They've told a wide scope of stories, advanced the world. The last thing I want to see is another generation of Avatar with spaceships.

Whereas I think that would be all kinds of awesome.

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Orthos wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Tels wrote:
I saw some articles saying that the creators were done with Avatar after Korra as they've been brunt out on it. 10 years of Avatar is a lot and they want to do something else. Though they're not saying no to returning to Avatar in the future, or letting someone else take the reigns.
I personally feel that Avatar should be laid to rest with Korra. They've told a wide scope of stories, advanced the world. The last thing I want to see is another generation of Avatar with spaceships.
Whereas I think that would be all kinds of awesome.

As far as I'm concerned they kind of pushed it to the limit of plausibility with the advances from Aang's time to Korra's.

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Chris Mortika wrote:

Has anybody ever published RPG rules for the Avatar universe?

Officially published? No, that would involve some expensive lawsuit negotiations with Nickolodeon. But one might remember the Element Master project that some of us, including myself, gave some participation to on these boards. The PDF and Herolab material for that is still downloadable with some searching. Try using the term Elemental Bending Monk.


There was also a 4E document made that used lots of (non-official) art and had a wide variety of Bending classes and abilities. I played it, and it was fun, but it missed a few of the points of the genre, I thought.


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Orthos wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Tels wrote:
I saw some articles saying that the creators were done with Avatar after Korra as they've been brunt out on it. 10 years of Avatar is a lot and they want to do something else. Though they're not saying no to returning to Avatar in the future, or letting someone else take the reigns.
I personally feel that Avatar should be laid to rest with Korra. They've told a wide scope of stories, advanced the world. The last thing I want to see is another generation of Avatar with spaceships.
Whereas I think that would be all kinds of awesome.

Come oooon BENDJAMMER!


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Freehold DM wrote:
Orthos wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Tels wrote:
I saw some articles saying that the creators were done with Avatar after Korra as they've been brunt out on it. 10 years of Avatar is a lot and they want to do something else. Though they're not saying no to returning to Avatar in the future, or letting someone else take the reigns.
I personally feel that Avatar should be laid to rest with Korra. They've told a wide scope of stories, advanced the world. The last thing I want to see is another generation of Avatar with spaceships.
Whereas I think that would be all kinds of awesome.
Come oooon BENDJAMMER!

See you, Space Bender.


Yes, because it is so hard to believe that it took them only 60 years to go from hot air balloons and tanks to get cars and airplanes;)

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Dragon78 wrote:
Yes, because it is so hard to believe that it took them only 60 years to go from hot air balloons and tanks to get cars and airplanes;)

Hot Air balloons were in use for thousands of years before we got to tanks and cars. The Nazcans used them to draw their immense line art.

And remember Republic City also has skyscrapers, shock gloves, functional air ships (a lot safer than we ever developed), airplanes, and electricity and radio. that's quite a bit for a mere 7 decades.

What's curiously lacking are trains.


So you're saying the only way they could have gotten that technology isn't through hard work and innovation and a desire to improve the lot of mankind through technology, but rather...

Spoiler:
ALIENS?


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Aliens? some one has been watching those stupid ancient aliens show on the history channel way too much;)

You do know the Chinese had the crossbow, the printing press, and a device to detect the direction of earthquakes a 1000+ years ago. The romans had automatic doors, a coin slot machine, and a gatling-like weapon using spears about 2000 years ago.


In 70 years Avatar went from medieval China with some out-of-place technology (tanks, mechanical gecko lizard thing, giant drill) to 1930's New York with radio, phones, TV, electricity, and Spider-Man cops.

Most of all of this was brought on by two men, the Mechanist from the original series, and Hiroshi Sato, from Korra. The Mechanist designed the hot air balloons and blimps with the help of Sokka, but he also invented the steam technology and the tanks the Fire Nation used. Hiroshi Sato invented the plane, the Sato-mobile, the mechatanks and all of the technology they used.

So, basically, something like 200 hundreds of technological advancement were designed and built by two men in the Avatar universe. I expect, that in the next generation of Avatar, they'd all have SatoPods. They'd be fully immersed in the digital age, because that seems to be the rate of advancement that exists in the Avatar world.

Though, one has to wonder what held them back for the last 10,000 years...


What held them back... well benders are awesome;)


Dragon: No, I'm making fun of those shows, not endorsing them. ;)


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I know, it wasn't aimed at you, but for some reason people now a days think that technology takes hundreds of years to develop without the help of aliens or faeries;) When what it needs is an open mind, resources, and hard work. Though lack repressive religions and political institutions help as well.

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So, maybe the Air Nomads were actually an enormous brake on technological advancement ...


Well, the 100 years of war from the first series probably helped immensely. The comic series did mention that there were some pretty fast advances in metallurgy based on firebenders and earthbenders working in concert. Add in a couple of geniuses in such an environment and you can get some very rapid advancement.


It's hard to speculate on the degree to which being able to bend elements could help the advancement of technology. We can already see that they took several shortcuts in the development of their technology. For instance, IIRC, Marko's day job involved using his bending to help run Republic City's power generators (talk about clean energy!). Also, the metal benders used metal-bending to operate the shields for their city.


FiddlersGreen wrote:
It's hard to speculate on the degree to which being able to bend elements could help the advancement of technology. We can already see that they took several shortcuts in the development of their technology. For instance, IIRC, Marko's day job involved using his bending to help run Republic City's power generators (talk about clean energy!). Also, the metal benders used metal-bending to operate the shields for their city.

Earth bender trains in Ba Sing Se and postal delivery chutes in Omashu. Fire benders were able to skip the need for coal for steam power, and water benders totally skipped needing to develop more sophisticated ships for sailing against currents/wind. Hell, I bet water benders skip aspects when it comes to steam power too. I'm totally picturing a lazy water bender sitting next to a generator, twirling his finger round and round, moving the steam through a generator.

Hmmm... you know, it would be an interesting setting to play in. Benders could/would go to work for power companies. Like water benders self-creating water falls for generators and stuff for a city, and air benders running wind farms etc. The 'power benders' would have simplistic, but very powerful bending as they constantly use it all the time. They may not have the finesse or skill of others in a fight, but when they hit you with a blast of air/water/fire/earth, it's going to hurt and you're going to feel it.

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jemstone wrote:

So you're saying the only way they could have gotten that technology isn't through hard work and innovation and a desire to improve the lot of mankind through technology, but rather...

** spoiler omitted **

No... the fact that the Nazcans had balloons proves that no alien "help" was needed.

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FiddlersGreen wrote:
It's hard to speculate on the degree to which being able to bend elements could help the advancement of technology. We can already see that they took several shortcuts in the development of their technology. For instance, IIRC, Marko's day job involved using his bending to help run Republic City's power generators (talk about clean energy!). Also, the metal benders used metal-bending to operate the shields for their city.

It's a bit hard to believe that republic city's energy needs were met by a half dozen benders who didn't even work full time!


LazarX wrote:
FiddlersGreen wrote:
It's hard to speculate on the degree to which being able to bend elements could help the advancement of technology. We can already see that they took several shortcuts in the development of their technology. For instance, IIRC, Marko's day job involved using his bending to help run Republic City's power generators (talk about clean energy!). Also, the metal benders used metal-bending to operate the shields for their city.
It's a bit hard to believe that republic city's energy needs were met by a half dozen benders who didn't even work full time!

I think that's too much to assume from the one scene. There might have been other fire-benders off-screen or even in other rooms, and the entire staff might have been working on rotation rosters. And there could also have been other power plants. Heck, they might even, per Tels' suggestions, be different types of plants using different forms of bending that power Republic City.

Also, for the FF7 and Avatar fans out there:
Would a reactor powered by a fire-bending Marko be callled... a Marko reactor? XD


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As his name is actually Mako the FF7 allusion is even stronger than you think. ;)

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I was under the impression that the idea that the Nazca used hot air balloons was still speculation. A guy showed that ypu could build a hot air balloon with the materials they had at the time, but no actual evidence of balloons has been found.

Have their been new discoveries I missed hearing about?

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Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:

I was under the impression that the idea that the Nazca used hot air balloons was still speculation. A guy showed that ypu could build a hot air balloon with the materials they had at the time, but no actual evidence of balloons has been found.

Have their been new discoveries I missed hearing about?

As I understand it, they actually did find drawings that showed them as well. Nazca makes a poor landing field for spacecraft. As the one ranger put it. "Once you get under the stones, the ground is quite soft. I'm afraid our spacemen would have gotten stuck."

But applying Occam's Razor, what's more logical to assume, that the Nazcans could have used hot air balloons that could be made with local technology, or do we assume space aliens for which we have NO evidence directing this sort of construction for no particular reason? Whereas the Nazcans working alone WOULD have had reasons that fit their culture, mainly a form of shamanistic belief.

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LazarX wrote:
Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:

I was under the impression that the idea that the Nazca used hot air balloons was still speculation. A guy showed that ypu could build a hot air balloon with the materials they had at the time, but no actual evidence of balloons has been found.

Have their been new discoveries I missed hearing about?

As I understand it, they actually did find drawings that showed them as well. Nazca makes a poor landing field for spacecraft. As the one ranger put it. "Once you get under the stones, the ground is quite soft. I'm afraid our spacemen would have gotten stuck."

But applying Occam's Razor, what's more logical to assume, that the Nazcans could have used hot air balloons that could be made with local technology, or do we assume space aliens for which we have NO evidence directing this sort of construction for no particular reason? Whereas the Nazcans working alone WOULD have had reasons that fit their culture, mainly a form of shamanistic belief.

Well there's a third option as well: Simple surveying techniques combined with a view from the nearby hills and mountains. :)

When I researched the Nazca lines for an essay a few years ago, that was the leading theory.

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LazarX wrote:

Hot Air balloons were in use for thousands of years before we got to tanks and cars. The Nazcans used them to draw their immense line art.

Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:
I was under the impression that the idea that the Nazca used hot air balloons was still speculation. ... Have their been new discoveries I missed hearing about?
LazarX wrote:
...But applying Occam's Razor, what's more logical to assume, that the Nazcans could have used hot air balloons that could be made with local technology, or do we assume space aliens ...?

It's a distance to go, from asserting that Nazcans certainly did use balloons, to shrugging and saying that their use is at least more plausible than space alien visitors.

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Chris Mortika wrote:

Has anybody ever published RPG rules for the Avatar universe?

Someone was writing a rulebook on wizards of the coast forums. I submitted the map.


jemstone wrote:
As his name is actually Mako the FF7 allusion is even stronger than you think. ;)

tosses Airbender DVDs in microwave

*sigh*


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jemstone wrote:
As his name is actually Mako the FF7 allusion is even stronger than you think. ;)

tosses Airbender DVDs in microwave

*sigh*

WHAT!?!?

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Freehold DM wrote:
jemstone wrote:
As his name is actually Mako the FF7 allusion is even stronger than you think. ;)

tosses Airbender DVDs in microwave

*sigh*

I wasn't saying that Mako was inspired by FF7, man, only that one could make the allusion!


Mako from Avatar: The Legend of Koprra is named after the voice actor who played Iroh from Avatar: The Last Airbender.

Mako's IMDB page

The FF7 thing is just a coincidence.

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Chris Mortika wrote:

So, maybe the Air Nomads were actually an enormous brake on technological advancement ...

Benders are often a setback to technology that doesnt need benders. If it will give equality to non benders then the tech runs afoul of which ever bending empire feels threatened by peasants having power.

Amongst the toys of the air nomad offered up to avatar aang was a helicopter.


Grey Lensman wrote:

Mako from Avatar: The Legend of Koprra is named after the voice actor who played Iroh from Avatar: The Last Airbender.

Mako's IMDB page

The FF7 thing is just a coincidence.

thank god I didn't turn the microwave on.

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Freehold DM wrote:
Grey Lensman wrote:

Mako from Avatar: The Legend of Koprra is named after the voice actor who played Iroh from Avatar: The Last Airbender.

Mako's IMDB page

The FF7 thing is just a coincidence.

thank god I didn't turn the microwave on.

Good choice...

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