Posting this here instead of the thread I found it in so as not to derail.
In a thread, Chris Lambertz said:
Removed a post. This kind of comment is really unnecessary.
While I understand that the comment was removed because it violated policy in some way, someone who did not see the comment doesn't know what was said or why it was unnecessary.
It might help teach people what is unacceptable if they have a hint of what is, well, unacceptable in these cases. Something like "Talking about Blah is unnecessary" or "We don't insult others" or whatever. This way the next person knows that "Blah" isn't acceptable and hopefully will edit themselves before the mods have to.
Thank you for listening.
Posting this here instead of the thread I found it in so as not to derail.
In a thread, Chris Lambertz said:
Removed a post. This kind of comment is really unnecessary.While I understand that the comment was removed because it violated policy in some way, someone who did not see the comment doesn't know what was said or why it was unnecessary.
It might help teach people what is unacceptable if they have a hint of what is, well, unacceptable in these cases. Something like "Talking about Blah is unnecessary" or "We don't insult others" or whatever. This way the next person knows that "Blah" isn't acceptable and hopefully will edit themselves before the mods have to.
Thank you for listening.
I didn't see the quote in question, but I know from my experience that when Chris leaves that message then the person who's post was removed knew better.
It's fair to say that if you see that message then the "xxx example of thing you know you shouldn't have said" is understood.
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I don't disagree. Sometimes it can be very difficult to phrase why a post is being removed without being accusatory, or we're just quickly responding to posts. Not an excuse, because it can be better. I'll see what I can do to be more clear in the future. :)
Posting this here instead of the thread I found it in so as not to derail.
In a thread, Chris Lambertz said:
Removed a post. This kind of comment is really unnecessary.While I understand that the comment was removed because it violated policy in some way, someone who did not see the comment doesn't know what was said or why it was unnecessary.
It might help teach people what is unacceptable if they have a hint of what is, well, unacceptable in these cases. Something like "Talking about Blah is unnecessary" or "We don't insult others" or whatever. This way the next person knows that "Blah" isn't acceptable and hopefully will edit themselves before the mods have to.
Thank you for listening.
I didn't see the quote in question, but I know from my experience that when Chris leaves that message then the person who's post was removed knew better.
It's fair to say that if you see that message then the "xxx example of thing you know you shouldn't have said" is understood.
Oh no doubt the person deleted knows. My direction was more towards the other bad little boys and girls out there. :)
Thank you for responding Chris and for all your hard work.
As an example of the policy, Usagi, I once had a post deleted as a response to a post that got deleted. I didn't get a notification (and didn't need one).
Does the 'deletee' get a message that their post was removed? I don't normally look at old posts.
Oh no doubt the person deleted knows. My direction was more towards the other bad little boys and girls out there. :)Thank you for responding Chris and for all your hard work.
No, but these kinds of deletion a are generally during a "busy period" so it's easier to spot that you've gone too far and been moderated (or been caught in the crossfire, as Berinor alludes to).
I've never received a notice that one of my posts had been flagged or deleted. On the other hand, all of my deleted posts were because I replied to an original offender. And the Paizo staff are wonderfully (or horrifically) sure not to pass judgement on your post -- if you replied to an offending post, yours goes, too.
(I've always been highly amused that my first-ever deleted post was a mathematical explanation of tipping percentages. It was in reply to a post that got flagged and removed. But I still love the idea that mathematical analyses violated Paizo's posting policies. I've been careful not to post any since! :-P )
As someone who has had a handful of posts removed, I've never received an email or pm about it. The mod message is always enough explanation for me, and usually more than I needed.
I have heard rumors that if you get particularly rowdy that a mod may send you a PM or email but those rumors are all from folks who have been around here a lot longer than me, and I've been here a while. That may be something that has fallen by the wayside as the community is just to large now too really handle it. Or it could be that sort of thing is reserved for more sever warnings like temp bans.
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We do not typically send individuals notices that a post was removed although we do usually (but not always) post in a thread that we removed posts and we may or may not include why. This may be intentional or accidental. Moderation can be a very situational task. We do send emails to some posters if we feel they need a more direct response as to why something is not okay on the forums, if they need a warning, or ban (temporary or permanent).
I was always curious if deleted posts lowered your total post count.
I was always curious if deleted posts lowered your total post count.
I'd test this for you, but Chris would smack me around...
I was always curious if deleted posts lowered your total post count.
I don't think so. When a bunch of posts are deleted in a thread, it goes from 50 posts per page down to 30-something sometimes, so they're still part of the post count for the thread. I assume they're also still counted as part of the post count for the poster; you just can't see them.
I recently had a post deleted from the Pathfinder "Bloat - Are you Worried?" thread. Usually, I don't disagree with moderators decisions and just let it go, but this time it really felt like a very biased, very unfair decision.
What bothers me about this is that I was in no way more offensive or divisive than the little toothed bag.
I expressed my opinion that incredibly underpowered options are bad design and hurt the well being of the game, only to be met with this little piece of condescending insinuations:
It's not the designers fault that you play D&D Turbo Hyper Championship Edition. And that you want to win it.
Now... Not only this makes assumptions about the gaming style of someone he never met or played with, it also says that I only care about highly optimized overpowered game mechanics and implies I don't know how to play the game (since trying to "win" is said with very obvious sarcasm and disdain, as you can't win a game that doesn't have victory conditions).
This is a view based on extremes (if you don't like underpowered options, then you only care about overpowered ones) and a very holier-than-thou-ish tone(you are trying to win the game that is not meant to be won, i.e.: you don't "get" Pathfinder). The poster obviously didn't read my post or didn't care to pay attention to it.
I pointed this out in a rather tame post... It went more or less like this:
What a simple and boring world you must live in, Gorbacz... where everything falls on extremes and there is no middle ground.
Just because I think it's bad design to have options that are useless 99% of the time, it doesn't mean I only care about highly optimized games and overpowered options. Nor does it mean I'm trying "to win D&D Turbo Hyper Championship Edition". So drop the holier-than-thou attitude and try actually reading my post next time.
This is no more colorful or offensive than the post it was a reply to. The only difference I see here, is that I was criticizing Paizo products, while Gorbacz was defending it... So, what should I take from this? That if I'm defending Paizo, I can be impolite, dismissive and condescending, but if I'm making a criticism, even a constructive and valid one, it becomes a problem?
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