I want to be a half-elf me thinks. I was thinking of being a dervish dancer so I could fight decently and heal decently, but I'm wanting to base this character off of Zelos wilder from Tales of Symphonia, if anyone has played that game. He is a skilled swordsmen so I don't wanna take to many hits to base attack bonus, he can cast very limited healing spells, both of which is covered by dervish dancer, (average bab and some healing spells, not to mention his swordplay seriously resembles strange dancing IMO) but I need more offensive spells. Is there perhaps another archetype that would supplement this train of thought? I know the voice of the wild bard allows you to select a few druid spells, (which is amazing btw) but Zelos played no instrument and the dancing really goes along with what zelos does. I am also aware that multi classing is frowned upon in Pathfinder but I think I've deduced that why I never enjoy any of my characters is because I spend to much time optimizing rather than doing what I actually WANT to do. So I'm really looking for ideas to make an optimized character so much as I am looking to make a fun one that suits my tastes. Any thoughts?
*So I'm NOT really looking for ideas to make an optimized character*
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Bard spells aren't really offensive. A few - but they're kinda medicore.
Maybe a magus of some sort? Though you'd likely lose the dancing feel.
If you REALLY don't want to optimize it - you could dip a level into swashbuckler to go with the magus. The panache might fit your need to fight with flare! And if you burn a feat on Extra Panache you'll be okay there with a Charisma of 10. (3 points isn't horrible)
(I've never played Tales of Symphonia - so I can't help there.)
Well the main point of taking bard was to have access to some healing spells, and the dancing bit. Not to mention allegro works fantastic with the dervish dancer. I don't want to be an amazing healer by any means. I simply need a small repertoire of cure spells. I was also thinking eldritch scion magus as they can still use armor, cast spontaneously, (which I prefer) and they use charisma for spells. I don't wanna completely not optimize since a sucky character would be frustrating instead of boring, I simply want to optimize my stupid idea!
Been a long time since I played Tales of Symphonia. The character concept will be hard to pull off though. The dervish dancer is a good place to start though. Getting the offensive spells though is going to be a lot harder.
Bards get a spell called Sonic Thrust which is the same name as a spell he had. It's a 4th level spell though so you won't be able to get it till 10th level as a bard.
Fireball and Lightning are easy enough to replicate, but being able to cast them is a whole different story. In fact a lot of his spells, if not all, can be replicated or have decent enough alternatives. However, they all come from different spell lists.
This is a difficult character concept you want to achieve. Are there any concessions you'd be willing to make?
Do inquisitors cast spontaneously? I don't know what they do. But inquisitor doesn't really seem to fit the mold. Although he was the "chosen" of a false god (In short the angels were simply evolved humans elves and half elves who were immortal and their whole reason for existing was having candidates, the chosen, as vessels to resurrect the leader"s dead sister. It's a long rpg with a convoluted story so thats as in depth as I'll go.) Cha for spells isn't a must but it would help me by not having to pump so many stats because I'm pretty set on some dervish dancer for the healing as it seems to fit so It'll take some serious convincing to sway me away from it but by all means try. If u have a good idea I wanna hear it. Although Zelos was quite the ladies man so Cha fits well. Although about the inquisitor, how does that help me with offensive magic? Their divine casters right?
Uh I don't know what a concession is lol. I assume it's a compromise? The main compromise I'm willing to give on his not needing to emulate his spells first of all. So long as I can attack with magic. Also I'm willing to compromise on race to some degree. So long as it's a race that can compliment a rather flamboyant personality. btw this is for pathfinder society.
In my experience, the Archaeologist Bard is the most versatile Jack of all Trades. They get Bard spells, light armor, decent weapons, a luck bonus that applies to just about everything, trap finding, lots of skill points and 1/2 level to key skills, and access to Rogue Talents.
Well bloodrager focuses to much on being a brute. maybe that I should specify that Zelos was an agile fighter who used either longswords, although in the anime and in the opening video he uses a small dagger that resembles a gladius, daggers or short swords, so I'm probably gonna use a gladius or short sword. I simply want blasting elemental damage spells.
You may have a good chance of meeting your concept as a Bloodrager.
I was thinking Bloodrager for him as well.
It's a spontaneous caster. It has offensive spells. It's got full BAB. It's casting is cha based.
The devilish rogue thing can be pulled off with role playing and such.
Although the bloodrager would be an interesting idea if I could have the rage be like the urban barbarian's rage. But I don't think you can do that.
Have you thought about just being the dervish dancer with max UMD and just buying a wand of fireballs?
Well I never liked the concept of magic items for the most part. some are cool but I mostly like relying on my own power. but I'll make a bulleted list of what I'm going for in light of what blackblood troll said.
- Decent dex fighter so high dex
-some healing capabilities, Just a little
-Some attack magic
-high cha for role-play purposes (this is why I want cha based magic so its not a total waste)
and thats really the main things I'm having trouble figuring out how to acquire, everything else is just what skills and traits I want.
Oh also a race that supports a flirty flamboyant personality
It just occurred to me. What about the Eldritch Knight prestige class? Start as a swashbuckler and start picking up some sorcerer levels (for the charisma overlap).
I can't remember. Does the early access trick into Eldritch Knight still work? As in being an Aasimar with daylight or a wizard with the scryer subschool?
This is for society so unfortunately no aasimar even though they are wicked cool. I almost made this very idea with a rakshasa blooded tiefling looking to invert the character concept. but the combat oracle is a thought. although I find all the curses pretty detrimental. Ok I'm liking the idea of edritch scion magus and combat oracle. but what curse should I take?
Also I was thinking half elf so I could have two favored class options to lessen the penalty for multi classing. Thoughts?
What book is legalistic in? I can't use third party stuff.
Hm I'll check if that's a legal source or not. If it is I'll probably choose oracle/eldritch scion. If not then I'll stick with dervish dancer/Eldritch scion. Thx for all the help guys really appreciate it. I know it's a silly build but thx for humoring me. <( ' . ' )> <('.'<) <( ' . ' )> (>'.')>
Hm it's not legal.
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Legalistic is PFS legal.
Pathfinder Player Companion: Blood of Fiends:
To create a tiefling, you must have a Chronicle sheet that opens the race as a legal option at character creation.
*Note: Tieflings may only be half-human. Other races, including but not limited to dwarf, elf, gnome, halfling, half-orc, tengu, and any other race, are not legal in PFS.
Bloodlines: daemon bloodline is not legal for Pathfinder Society; Feats: all feats on pages 24-25 are legal; Heritages: all heritages, and associated traits, on pages 18-23 are legal; Magic: bard masterpieces are legal; Other: variant tiefling abilities are not legal for Pathfinder Society; oracle curses on page 26 are legal; Inquisitons on pages 26-27 are legal; Subdomains: all subdomains on page 15 are legal; Traits: all traits on pages 30-31 are legal.
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Out of curiosity... why Oracle at all?
Magus gets some healing already (Infernal Healing/Greater Infernal Healing). It's not huge, admittedly, but it's close enough to a CLW that I'm not sure I see the point in multiclassing for that.
He already noted a preference for spontaneous, and charisma based.
Full caster Oracle, fits this, and can still be decent martial, and never suffer spell failure, and can even eventually get charisma to saves.