So... this get a little interesting...
Dragon Disciple requires that you have the Dragonic Bloodline if you are a Sorcerer.
The Mongrel Mage though has an interesting little ability though... it can change it's bloodline day by day. So how do you guys think these two would interact? I mean, TECHNICALLY the Mongrel Mage can have the Dragonic Bloodline...
On top of that, there is the interesting question of how The Blood of Dragons ability interacts with the Mongrel mage
A dragon disciple adds his level to his sorcerer levels when determining the powers gained from his bloodline. If the dragon disciple does not have levels of sorcerer, he instead gains bloodline powers of the draconic bloodline, using his dragon disciple level as his sorcerer level to determine the bonuses gained. He must choose a dragon type upon gaining his first level in this class and that type must be the same as his sorcerer type. This ability does not grant bonus spells to a sorcerer unless he possesses spell slots of an appropriate level. Such bonus spells are automatically granted if the sorcerer gains spell slots of the spell's level.
Technically, it never says it increases your DRAGONIC bloodline (since the PrC assumed you had the dragonic bloodline), it simply refers to your bloodline in general...
To qualify to become a dragon disciple, a character must fulfill all the following criteria.
Race: Any non-dragon.
Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 5 ranks*.
Languages: Draconic.
Spellcasting: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells without preparation. If the character has sorcerer levels, he must have the draconic bloodline. If the character gains levels of sorcerer after taking this class, he must take the draconic bloodline.
The Mongrel Mage does not actually have the Draconic bloodline, therefore does not qualify for DD.
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how it interacts with it...I will follow the solution which causes the less headache:
If you don't qualify for a prc, you don't get anything from it. So yes you can qualify for the prc when you have the draconic bloodline but on days where you don't use your draconic bloodline, you get no class features from dragon disciple except bab, hp, saves and skills.
technically they do have the dragonic blododline. The Mongrel Reservoir simply says it alters the bloodline ability, not straight replace it. So a Mongrel Mage would be like having the Linnorm Bloodline.
technically they do have the dragonic blododline. The Mongrel Reservoir simply says it alters the bloodline ability, not straight replace it. So a Mongrel Mage would be like having the Linnorm Bloodline.
You're splitting hairs. Nowhere within does it say you get the bloodline, just the abilities of various levels of the bloodline. If that were enough to qualify for DD, then the Eldrich Heritage feats would be as well.
It is, however, close enough to some previously ruled cheese, such as SLAs counting for caster levels, that it probably deserves to be brought up in the rules question for an official FAQ.
Pretty much what Green Tea said. You never gain the bloodline, you have an ability called Mongrel Reservoir that allows you to use some bloodline abilities.
Still a neat archetype though.
See this is the problem though:
The ability Mongrel Reservoir never says it REPLACES teh bloodline, it says it simply modifies it. So technically you would still have the bloodline ability (as in, it still exists on your character). This is where things get weird because, if you still have the bloodline ability, that would mean you would still have to have a bloodline in teh first place. This seems to be the thing the mongrel mage changes. Not so much that you have a bloodline, but more just WHAT bloodline.
Pretty much what Green Tea said. You never gain the bloodline, you have an ability called Mongrel Reservoir that allows you to use some bloodline abilities.
Still a neat archetype though.
See this is the problem though:
The ability Mongrel Reservoir never says it REPLACES teh bloodline, it says it simply modifies it. So technically you would still have the bloodline ability (as in, it still exists on your character). This is where things get weird because, if you still have the bloodline ability, that would mean you would still have to have a bloodline in teh first place. This seems to be the thing the mongrel mage changes. Not so much that you have a bloodline, but more just WHAT bloodline.
It modifies the bloodline class feature, in that it changes it from having one specifically to having none at all, but the ability to spontaneously act as if you had one temporarily. This does not grant you the draconic bloodline. This grants you temporary access to the bloodline's abilities.
Again, as I said, this is close enough to SLA cheese where it wouldn't hurt to bring it up in the rules questions and maybe it'll be ok'd, but frankly I wouldn't any more than I'd allow early-entry SLA cheese.
Pretty much what Green Tea said. You never gain the bloodline, you have an ability called Mongrel Reservoir that allows you to use some bloodline abilities.
Still a neat archetype though.
See this is the problem though:
The ability Mongrel Reservoir never says it REPLACES teh bloodline, it says it simply modifies it. So technically you would still have the bloodline ability (as in, it still exists on your character). This is where things get weird because, if you still have the bloodline ability, that would mean you would still have to have a bloodline in teh first place. This seems to be the thing the mongrel mage changes. Not so much that you have a bloodline, but more just WHAT bloodline.
It modifies the bloodline class feature, in that it changes it from having one specifically to having none at all, but the ability to spontaneously act as if you had one temporarily. This does not grant you the draconic bloodline. This grants you temporary access to the bloodline's abilities.
Again, as I said, this is close enough to SLA cheese where it wouldn't hurt to bring it up in the rules questions and maybe it'll be ok'd, but frankly I wouldn't any more than I'd allow early-entry SLA cheese.
Except that is not quite the case. No matter what you ALWAYS have the bloodline ability. The only thing is that it is ALWAYS at a level 1 sorcerer level. The temporary part is only for allowing you to gain the abilities of the bloodline for a sorcerer of your level. You always have the Arcana and level 1 abilities of your bloodline at all times. You are just always a level 1 sorcerer for all intents and purposes for that ability.
Additionally, the Dragon Disciple makes no mention of any required sorcerer level if you will. For all it cares, you can be 4 levels barbarian with a single level Sorcerer dip. So teh fact that you are always treated as a level 1 sorcerer for your bloodline arcana and level 1 ability is kind of irrelevent to the Dragon Disciple.
This also raises the question of how the Robes of Arcane Heritage or whatever works with the Mongrel Mage...
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To me it seems that Mongrel Mage does not qualify for DD. My reason is this.....
In order to qualify you need to have the draconic bloodline for DD.
A MM does not HAVE THE DRACONIC bloodline, but it HAS A BLOODLINE.
She may select the Draconic bloodline for the day but then she does not HAVE so much as HAVE ACCESS TO. She does select the bloodline at the day and then gain the powers and arcana, but she does not gain the draconic bloodline itself for the day.
I'd say either a) it simply doesn't qualify for it by not having the bloodline on a continuous, permanent basis, or b) you could qualify for it, but you would only have access to your DD abilities and powers at those times when you were utilizing the draconic bloodline.
So either way, not really a good option?
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I would interpret it as thus;
The dragon disciple prestige class does not require a person to have the draconic bloodline to be taken therefore it can be taken by a mongrel mage who meets the other prerequisites.
the mongrel mage in question either (and this seems most RAW) only choose to make use of the draconic bloodline, because the prestige class states that a sorcerer must choose the draconic bloodline, thus wasting your alternate class ability but fulfilling your prestige class requirements.
Or (this would be more a personal interpretation)
The mongrel mage can take the dragon disciple prestige class and when choosing their daily bloodline either takes draconic and stacks DD and MM levels to determine powers or gains DD lvl equivalent Draconic Bloodline powers and MM lvl equivalent powers from the other bloodline.
Or
Mongrel Mage does not qualify as a sorcerer in relation to the DD class abilities, they treat the class the same way a bard or other non-sorcerer spontaneous caster does, and if they choose to have the draconic bloodline at the same time it's redundant.