So long story short. I wanna play an armorless psychic warrior. I'm starting at level 1, and don't intend to multi class (though I'll probably go elocator 1 or 2 after level 5).
For aesthetics I REALLY don't want to wear armor. Now I know that Inertial Armor is an option, but as the primary melee guy in the party, this'll still leave me rather open to ouchies. Especially since it doesn't last very long (early levels).
I'm on the homebrew forum because I want to ask...what is wisdom to AC REALLY worth? I know paizo hasn't yet released a Class Builder (like their race builder, and I figure one is on its way)... but if there were one, what would this really be worth? it's not exactly broken...
I remember 3.5 Monk's Belt was only REALLY abused by the druid. Everyone else only got a little perk at best.
Race: Elan
Class: Psychic Warrior
Path: Survivor
Stats (25pt buy): STR 14, DEX 14, CON 14, INT 12, WIS 18, CHA 8
Feats: ?? Dodge, Psionic Meditation ??
Current AC is 13 + 4 (Inertial Armor) 17.
Fine for this level, but level 5??
13 + 6 (Inertial Armor Augmented) 19
Not exactly impressing a kobold...
Any and all thoughts would be appreciated. I'm making a case to bring to my DM. A good ol' quick pro quo
You might check out Ashiel's Revised Monk that is essentially a Psychic Warrior chassis. I'm sure you could still use weapons with this approach.
As for the Class Builder, Paizo are definitely not putting one in the upcoming Advanced Class Guide - the fear is that it would be an unruly beast ripe for plundering by powergamers and munchkinights. ;p
Though, FYI, here is one for 3.5 - Class Construction Engine
In theory what you are looking at is good at high level, but struggles at low level. With all the defensive powers, you start with inertial armour and that should just scrape you through level 1, with an hour's duration and +4 to AC it's as a good as a chain shirt and you should get 2-3 uses of it - at an hour a time, that's just enough.
Level 2, force screen and now you are starting to look good, at +8 to AC, although you will lose a standard action when surprised to activate it.
Start racking on other powers, and you can still be nearly indestructible while channelling all your resources into your weapon...
damn thing double posted, then i went to delete one and it deleted both. I had so many links and crap.... damn
Go Meditant archetype, get your WIS to AC/CMD while focused.
Or dip a level of monk for the same; I know you said no multiclassing, but I figured it was still worth mentioning.
ok, simple answer because I'm not retyping that!!
that monk/psy class is cool. I'll look at it, but might not have what I need.
That book you linked is cool (how'd i miss over the years?!?!?!) but the only thing it DOESN'T have is how much Wisdom to AC is worth!!!
Sorry for responding like a barbarian, to frustrated to retype. But thanks a ton ocienshieldwolf!!!
and dabbler, i'm looking to seem invincible to common folk without thinking. I better explained it before, but look at level 3 survivor power combined with the Persisent Focus feat. Walk around winter, barefoot, simple clothes, no casting needed. Wisdom to AC helps (not necessary, but helps).
Inertial Armor: +4 to AC
Force Screen: +4 to AC, but does nothing for Magic Missiles. This is the difference between Force Screen and Shield.
Having recently been in a psionics vs guns fight, I cannot overstate the use of Vigor. It might only be 5 temporary hit points, but like most psionic powers, Vigor is augmentable with just 1 additional power point. So at Level Three, you're adding 15 hp, which should get you through the first hit as a meatshield. Comparable to False Life.
As a fighter, don't forget a high DEX is better than STR at low levels for dodging attacks.
Go Meditant archetype, get your WIS to AC/CMD while focused.
Or dip a level of monk for the same; I know you said no multiclassing, but I figured it was still worth mentioning.
Yeah, I know :(
Which archetype you think? (in case I MUST) do that :(
And there is no psionic monk archetype from dreamscarred is there?
EDIT: wow, I just realized what I was replying too. Thanks, I'll look up the Meditant
Go Meditant archetype, get your WIS to AC/CMD while focused.
Or dip a level of monk for the same; I know you said no multiclassing, but I figured it was still worth mentioning.
Yeah, I know :(
Which archetype you think? (in case I MUST) do that :(
And there is no psionic monk archetype from dreamscarred is there?
EDIT: wow, I just realized what I was replying too. Thanks, I'll look up the Meditant
Link for simplicity.
Inertial Armor: +4 to AC
Force Screen: +4 to AC, but does nothing for Magic Missiles. This is the difference between Force Screen and Shield.Having recently been in a psionics vs guns fight, I cannot overstate the use of Vigor. It might only be 5 temporary hit points, but like most psionic powers, Vigor is augmentable with just 1 additional power point. So at Level Three, you're adding 15 hp, which should get you through the first hit as a meatshield. Comparable to False Life.
As a fighter, don't forget a high DEX is better than STR at low levels for dodging attacks.
I was DMing a campaign a few years ago (6 i think...wow time flies) and one of my PCs decided to NOT leave the crashing Airship and to keep fighting the baddies on board. Right before it crashed he beefed up with and overchanneled Vigor and killed the last guy near him with Empathetic Transfer, Forced... At the very last second he used Catfall. The party freaked out as they thought their friend died... He then used Expansion to become Huge sized to unbury himself from the wreckage... unscathed...
He had handed me an index card with his plan before about 5 rounds before the crash... but the look on their faces was priceless. Needless to say, at the bar that night the party bought his drinks (real life and in game). Wow epic.
The Meditant is the psionic monk archetype, really. :)
THANKS ZHAYNE AND MRSIN (I always love seeing you two on the forums, such kind people). I've never seen that before, and it works PERFECT!!! Losing a feat stinks, but the price we pay huh.
I honestly wasn't sure if I wanted unarmed combat, but I'm liking the feel. I've got a picture of the guy I'd love to link... anyway to link one from you comp? or just from the web??
Also, any suggestions on Traits?
know with an ability you can use while psionically
focused. You are always treated as being psionically
focused for this purpose, even if you are not.
From Psionics Expanded Unlimited Possibilities page 36 to beef up my Meditant's Psionic Armor (Su)
Edit: also, I'll be taking a Drawback, so I'll have 3 traits total including ^^this one^^. :)
Unfortunately, that says 'pick a first level POWER', which Psionic Armor is not.
Unfortunately, that says 'pick a first level POWER', which Psionic Armor is not.
true, but can you name a power at 1st level that requires psionic focus???
I also saw the RAW on that, but i believe this is an issue of RAI. And since it's 3rd party anyway... as long as I can make a case, my DM will assume it's a typo by dreamscarred
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We created a number of powers that can be used while psionically focused, for free.
So unfortunately, it does what it says it does.
I would suggest a psicrystal+psicrystal containment. :)
- Andreas Rönnqvist
Dreamscarred Press
We created a number of powers that can be used while psionically focused, for free.
So unfortunately, it does what it says it does.
I would suggest a psicrystal+psicrystal containment. :)
- Andreas Rönnqvist
Dreamscarred Press
Perhaps I have overlooked these. Could you give an example or a link?
And thanks! I love responses from the actual designers/publishers.
Psicrystal + Psicrystal containment allows a second focus which you can use with your Psionic Armor ability. Thus, you can expend your normal focus for whatever you need, and use the psicrystal containment focus and keep your armor.
Perhaps I have overlooked these. Could you give an example or a link?
I'm not Andreas, but I can point you to Psionic Talents, which are sort of like cantrips for psionics as far as I can tell.
...That book you linked is cool (how'd i miss over the years?!?!?!) but the only thing it DOESN'T have is how much Wisdom to AC is worth!!!...
You missed it, its on the second page under Method:
For Armor Proficiencies, add the CP of all that apply. If the Class has a restriction such as natural materials (Druid) or progressive Armor Class (Monk), use a value of 10 instead.
I'm presently playing a meditant and the Wisdom to AC is awesome. Its untyped so it stacks with Inertial Armor and barkskin. In addition you get a +1/5 levels as an additional untyped armor mod. which makes my AC 20 + at 2nd level and its effective even if flat-footed. I took interceptor as my Psychic Warrior Path but I wanted bonus's when I protected my companions. You might consider Survivor for that "Invincible to common folk" thing.that monk/psy class is cool. I'll look at it, but might not have what I need.
That book you linked is cool (how'd i miss over the years?!?!?!) but the only thing it DOESN'T have is how much Wisdom to AC is worth!!!
and dabbler, i'm looking to seem invincible to common folk without thinking. I better explained it before, but look at level 3 survivor power combined with the Persisent Focus feat. Walk around winter, barefoot, simple clothes, no casting needed. Wisdom to AC helps (not necessary, but helps).
Yeah, I went survivor and also did the Meditant archetype. I didn't want to go unarmed, kinda wanted an earthbreaker made of deep crystal.. but alas... can't have your cake and eat it too huh?
At level 1 my stats were
STR 14
DEX 14
CON 14
INT 14
WIS 18
CHA 7
25 pt buy (DM let me have 1 extra point since I took the cripling 3rd party drawback overly cautious.
My 7 CHA is because I'm an Elan that the party literally saw be born (well awoken for the first time ever since birth, probably around 20-25 years aged in a bacta-tank looking thing). Going to put my lv 4 pt in CHA to show i'm learning social interactions better.
I also took the dodge feat since I'm going to go Elocator 1 (maybe more)
This gave me AC 21 most the time (Dex +2, Wis +4, Dodge +1, Armor +4 [Inertail Armor].
I will not take Force Screen. But at level 4 I am mean enough to take Sidestep
I also almost always have a free Vigor for 5 hp, and took Psionic Body since I will be grabbing Deep Focus.
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I'm not Andreas, but I can point you to Psionic Talents, which are sort of like cantrips for psionics as far as I can tell.
Yeah, I saw those, but figured it meant something better than that. Aah well, I just took it for Conceal Thoughts so he can seem stoic, even when angry, sad, happy or injured.