Me and My Mount / AC using Stealth


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Grand Lodge

So, I was thinking of doing some sniping... from the back of my Animal Companion.

So, here is the Situation

A Hunter is skilled in Stealth and has an Animal Companion, specifically a Giant Wasp, that is also skilled in Stealth, has the full Combat Training package to work as a Mount and has the Sneak Trick as well. (It is an Int 2 Wasp at this point, so not mindless and can have that many tricks.)

What does it take to do some sniping? I was thinking I'd need to move from cover and back into cover by the end of my turn. Fortunately with the wording of Mounted Combat with a Bow my attacks automatically occur at the halfway point of the movement.

This should allow me to go from being in Stealth, shoot and go back to using Stealth correct?

Would this count as Sniping and suffer the -20? I don't think it should because I am not ending where I shot from.

Would I need to use a Move Action to use Stealth again? Again, I don't think it should because it isn't exactly like normal Sniping as I'm moving out of cover and back in, even if I am using my Mounts movement not my own. I may not even be ending in the same cover as I started.

Lastly, would I suffer the -5 to stealth for the movement that normally occurs for moving greater then half speed if the AC moves greater then half it's speed with me on it's back? If yes, does the answer change if the AC does not get the penalty?

Keep in mind, commanding my AC to use stealth is a Free Action because it is a trained Trick and it is an Animal Companion.

Is there anything I am forgetting about?


In many respects I'd just treat you and your mount as one creature and use the sniping rules. Primarily for simplicity and practicality, but with some justification.

The penalty for sniping is largely because when arrows go whizzing past you ear/ stick in a vulnerable part of your anatomy you will look around specifically to see where that came from, in this case this increases the chances of you spotting the tail of yonder beastie with the bow wielding motherless son sitting atop it disappearing into the undergrowth.

There is precedent that you share bonuses and penalties from movement etc. such as when charging you both suffer the same penalty to AC.

This is also why I have ruled that if stealth-ing you'd only use your AC's stealth (modified by your ACP).


I'd recommend you and your wasp take the stealth synergy teamwork feat. It'll help with your sniping technique, which I agree it still counts as a sniping attempt.

Grand Lodge

Here is the thing, Sniper rules are set up for a sniper who does not move from the location he shot from. So looking where the shot came from would do no good because I'm not there. I don't Start or End where I'm shooting from.

There is precedent for what I'm talking about. A Rogue with Spring Attack can run up, from cover, attack and run back into cover and maintain stealth.

I like that Feat, will be selecting it as one of my Teamwork Feats (My AC gets all my Teamwork Feats automatically.)

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