So I know I can use enlarge person via share spell on my eidolon but can I buy a scroll of permanency to then make it permanent? Would this effect stay when unsummoned and then resummoned? I'm wondering because the wording says you only summon an aspect of the creature.
I would say yes with a catch.
"Eidolons are treated as summoned creatures, except that they are not sent back to their home plane until reduced to a number of negative hit points equal to or greater than their Constitution score."
As I read it you could summon your Eidolon, cast Enlarge and then cast permanency. But if it's hit points were reduced to the point where it returns to its home plane you would have to summon it again and re-cast Enlarge and Permanency.
So I know I can use enlarge person via share spell on my eidolon but can I buy a scroll of permanency to then make it permanent? Would this effect stay when unsummoned and then resummoned? I'm wondering because the wording says you only summon an aspect of the creature.I would say yes with a catch.
"Eidolons are treated as summoned creatures, except that they are not sent back to their home plane until reduced to a number of negative hit points equal to or greater than their Constitution score."
As I read it you could summon your Eidolon, cast Enlarge and then cast permanency. But if it's hit points were reduced to the point where it returns to its home plane you would have to summon it again and re-cast Enlarge and Permanency.
Or if you sleep or fall unconscious or anything else that makes the eidolon disappear.
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So I know I can use enlarge person via share spell on my eidolon but can I buy a scroll of permanency to then make it permanent? Would this effect stay when unsummoned and then resummoned? I'm wondering because the wording says you only summon an aspect of the creature.
Uhmm, no you can't do any of this.
share spells does not allow you to cast enlarge person on your eidolon, that's an invalid spell.The summoner may cast a spell with a target of “you” on his eidolon
Target one humanoid creature
You can never cast enlarge paerson on a eidolon.
The summoner may cast a spell with a target of “you” on his eidolonTarget one humanoid creatureIt's the second line that allows Enlarge Person on an Eidolon.Share Spells (Ex)
The summoner may cast a spell with a target of “you” on his eidolon (as a spell with a range of touch) instead of on himself.
But a target of "you" is not a target of "one humanoid creature".
Spells that target "you" are personal range spells.
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The summoner may cast a spell with a target of “you” on his eidolonTarget one humanoid creatureIt's the second line that allows Enlarge Person on an Eidolon.Share Spells (Ex)
The summoner may cast a spell with a target of “you” on his eidolon (as a spell with a range of touch) instead of on himself.But a target of "you" is not a target of "one humanoid creature".
Spells that target "you" are personal range spells.
So? The first line is a benefit, not a restriction. The intent of the ability is clearly not to limit Summoners to ONLY casting personal range spells on their Eidolons.
Moreover, given that I'm not sure there ARE any spells that have both a range of "personal" and a "type" restriction on the Summoner's list (or any list, for that matter), it seems like your interpretation would render the second line meaningless.
But what about the Druid and Wizard spell lists. After all that line is also in the Shared spells feature for their Familiars/Animal Companions.
This may just give me a reason to play a cleric with the animal domain and the boon companion feat.
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The summoner may cast a spell with a target of “you” on his eidolonTarget one humanoid creatureIt's the second line that allows Enlarge Person on an Eidolon.Share Spells (Ex)
The summoner may cast a spell with a target of “you” on his eidolon (as a spell with a range of touch) instead of on himself.But a target of "you" is not a target of "one humanoid creature".
Spells that target "you" are personal range spells.
So? The first line is a benefit, not a restriction. The intent of the ability is clearly not to limit Summoners to ONLY casting personal range spells on their Eidolons.
Moreover, given that I'm not sure there ARE any spells that have both a range of "personal" and a "type" restriction on the Summoner's list (or any list, for that matter), it seems like your interpretation would render the second line meaningless.
It actually is a restriction and a benefit. Share spells is there so a caster can use their personal range spells to benefit their bonded companion. It's not there to bypass the built in restrictions of every spell in the game.
Expeditious retreat, Alter Self & Fire Shield are self only spells but share spells lets your companion benefit from them too. That's the purpose of the share spells ability not what you are trying to do.edit: share Spells doesn't mean that you can only cast those spells on your companion, it's there so you can cast all your normal buff spells on your companion (like any other creature) AND also put your self buff spells on them too.
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Right, and the same reasoning applies - the first line is clearly not meant to say they can ONLY cast personal range spells on their familiars/companions, etc., because that would make them WORSE at buffing their familiars, not better. Plus, again, generally speaking there just aren't spells with range of personal and type restrictions - I've found exactly one so far: Paragon Surge, with a range of "Personal (half-elf only)". Everything else seems to be "Range: Personal" and "Target: You" or "Target: You and <blah blah blah>", all of which would be captured by the first line.
But what about the Druid and Wizard spell lists. After all that line is also in the Shared spells feature for their Familiars/Animal Companions.This may just give me a reason to play a cleric with the animal domain and the boon companion feat.
So, my cleric could cast Rapid Repair on my Animal Companion and grant them fast healing 5.
It actually is a restriction and a benefit. Share spells is there so a caster can use their personal range spells to benefit their bonded companion. It's not there to bypass the built in restrictions of every spell in the game.Expeditious retreat, Alter Self & Fire Shield are self only spells but share spells lets your companion benefit from them too. That's the purpose of the share spells ability not what you are trying to do.
edit: share Spells doesn't mean that you can only cast those spells on your companion, it's there so you can cast all your normal buff spells on your companion (like any other creature) AND also put your self buff spells on them too.
Pretty much what I was going to respond with. The ability is to allow you to cast spells that can only otherwise be cast on yourself on your familiar, etc.
So, my cleric could cast Rapid Repair on my Animal Companion and grant them fast healing 5.
Rules as written, yes. Probably not rules as intended though. It was intended to allow the caster to give his companions the same kinds of benefits he can give himself or other players.
Share Spells (Ex): The druid may cast a spell with a target of “You” on her animal companion (as a spell with a range of touch) instead of on herself. A druid may cast spells on her animal companion even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the companion's type (animal). Spells cast in this way must come from a class that grants an animal companion. This ability does not allow the animal to share abilities that are not spells, even if they function like spells.
You could read that to limit you to spells that effect only "creatures", so you couldn't cast animate rope on your familiar; but constructs are a creature type, so your example should work.